We are Getting Cybertron Hotshot and Leader Soundwave in Legacy Line

I feel like we heard rumors of Cybertron Hotshot before. Interesting that Soundwave is a leader, I wonder how many tapes he'll come with at that price?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:I feel like we heard rumors of Cybertron Hotshot before. Interesting that Soundwave is a leader, I wonder how many tapes he'll come with at that price?

The difference between a voyager and leader is roughly 20 bucks before taxes, so I expect 2 cassettes to come with him. Since we got Rumble in SS86 and Frenzy is sure to follow, I'm guessing the classic duo of Laserbeak and Ravage will come with this figure.

I'll be stunned and laughing if it turns out to be a rerelease of the Netflix set in Legacy packaging.

Though Blaster and Twincast did get a cassette with each of them and they remained at voyager price. So maybe with Soundwave we'll get both birds and Ravage for the extra money.

I expect "leader" Soundwave to just be a reissue of the Netflix Soundwave set.
I'm 99% sure of that and I'll be fine with it.

But if in the 1% chance that everything are a brand new mold, with no "Siege Soundwave scars", and if he comes with a completely remade Lazerbeak and Ravage cassettes, I'd be impressed.

Time to get the eyes checked. I read that as HotsPot instead of HotsHot and briefly got excited about a potential set of Protectobots.

Darn them all to heck.

Leader Soundwave?

Hopefully it's just a Netflix repack and not some bullshit like a repack with Buzzsaw or something.

What if it's Marvel Soundwave? With that shade of purple and the mouth?

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Leader Soundwave?

Hopefully it's just a Netflix repack and not some bullshit like a repack with Buzzsaw or something.

What if it's Marvel Soundwave? With that shade of purple and the mouth?

I could go for a Soundwave that that can handle all of the different sized cassettes that have already been released in other lines. Never gonna happen because has to sell new cassettes, but I can dream.

I suspect that this "Leader" Soundwave is a re-release of the Netflix toy. The brand team have said before that they keep an eye on the secondary market (which is why Legacy Dirge and the Buzzworthy Bumblebee Dark of the Moon Optimus Prime happened), and that version of Soundwave is a highly sought after and rare figure so it would make sense to give it another run for those who missed out on it, and fingers crossed the yellowing plastic issue is fixed. As for the cassettes, I never much liked the Siege/Netflix Micromaster version of Ravage, so a completely new or heavily retooled version would be nice, but even if it is just the same that will be fine too. Perhaps they could throw in Buzzsaw and/or Ratbat to bump up the parts count and justify the Leader price tag?

Munkky wrote:I suspect that this "Leader" Soundwave is a re-release of the Netflix toy. The brand team have said before that they keep an eye on the secondary market (which is why Legacy Dirge and the Buzzworthy Bumblebee Dark of the Moon Optimus Prime happened), and that version of Soundwave is a highly sought after and rare figure so it would make sense to give it another run for those who missed out on it, and fingers crossed the yellowing plastic issue is fixed. As for the cassettes, I never much liked the Siege/Netflix Micromaster version of Ravage, so a completely new or heavily retooled version would be nice, but even if it is just the same that will be fine too. Perhaps they could throw in Buzzsaw and/or Ratbat to bump up the parts count and justify the Leader price tag?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this release will be a rerelease of the Netflix mold, plus a new mold core class level Ravage and perhaps a new mold core class level Buzzsaw, thus bringing it up to leader price.

I tend to think this will be Netflix Soundwave with cassettes also. However that would be perfect for SS86....

I mean, I know one of the TF team said they would want to do another new Soundwave for SS86 to make him as tall as Kingdom Blaster ( although the difference in height is pretty insignificant). I think both Kingdom Blaster and Netflix Soundwave are perfect for SS86 as they are....

Are we glancing over that tidbit about Springer being a Leader, or am I reading that wrong? Because I don't feel that bot is worth a Leader price tag at all.

As for Soundwave being a leader, well the only way I'd buy into that is if it were all new mold. The Cassettes as well need to be new. I'm not paying Leader price for that Netflix retooled version that wasn't G1 to begin with, and those dated cassettes are definitely not worth being reissued IMO. And frankly I just don't see it if we're on the cusp of new cassettes, why reissue the older style and then in a couple years they make new versions of Ravage and Laserbeak? I mean if that's the plan I'll just wait for the better versions in a couple years then.

So far only ones that interest me from tnhat list are Steeljaw and Strongarm.

o.supreme wrote:They didn't mention SS86, so I'm guessing Buzzworthy Hound and Voyager Ratchet are still not going to be revealed yet. RotB missing numbers so far are #104. Characters without a SS RotB reveal are: Wheeljack, Stratosphere, Nightbird & Optimus Primal.

Not sure what else they could release that's movie themed anyway, pretty much every character has already been seen in some form aside from Unicron and Stratosphere.

That said, I don't really know what exists for that line being as everything is so scattered about. But I do like the looks of Nightbird in bot mode so if a proper version is made she'd be top of the list. I also like Mirage's bot mode but I'm not as keen on him because of the alt change and to me that is jazz's from and I can't get it out of my head. Wheeljack for some reason is a big miss on both counts, don't care for either mode or how he was portrayed in the movie.

As for Stratosphere pretty sure that one would have to be a Leader if made, and while I thought it was kind of neat the design isn't for me enough to buy it. Still way too much Bay in the designs for my taste.

Cybertron Hotshot is cool to see, but since I'm the weirdo that actually likes the Selects Hound-repaint Hotshot, I'm actually more excited about the potential Excellion repaint here.

Leader Soundwave is very weird, because it's the only figure for next year we have a listing for that doesn't specify which iteration of the character it is (other than the Strongarm repack, but she didn't specify universe in her first listing either). Gears, Sureshot, Sandstorm, and Deluxe Optimus all say G1 in the listing, so the lack of it here is either a weird oversight, or it's like Animated Prowl just being listed as Prowl and it isn't actually G1 Soundwave (or it is a repack like y'all are thinking, but then there would be 2 G1 Soundwaves in Legacy and this listing would still be weird for not saying repack). For the sake of not getting my hopes up though, I'm just going to assume it'll be G1 Soundwave so I can't be disappointed if it isn't.

Also, is it just me or do we have a surprisingly high amount of Leader listings? UNI already has BW Tigerhawk, G1 Sandstorm, Armada Galvatron, and now mystery Soundwave, and there's still that mystery Evolution Optimus that we don't know the identity or release plan for either (which is part of why I keep speculating that Evolution might have 5 waves).

Emerje wrote:

Munkky wrote:Another Hasbro Pulse Transformers stream has been announced for 20th June at 4pm ET, this one promising both new Legacy and Rise of the Beasts reveals. At first I thought this would be revealing wave 4, but the wording of the announcement makes it sound like the focus will mostly be on Rise of the Beasts, so I'm guessing this stream will just announce more exclusives for Legacy instead, perhaps some Toxitron stuff, and wave 4 could be saved for SDCC or a similar event. Either way, I'm looking forward to a pre-order going up for Dreadwing.

I don't know, we've already seen leaks for four Evolution wave 4 figures now, they might want to get out ahead of the rest of them.

Also the pipeline reveals from the last stream were Legacy Wave 4, and both times they've done pipeline reveals thus far those reveals have been the meat of what was shown in the immediate next stream.

If anything I would think they would want to save Studio Series reveals for SDCC since we just had a summer theatrical release to capitalize on.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:What if it's Marvel Soundwave? With that shade of purple and the mouth?

A Marvel-colored release of the Netflix Soundwave set was rumored/leaked as a exclusive alongside the first mention of the now-revealed Miner Megatron, we just don't know where/how it's potentially releasing unless it's part of the Comic 2-pack's currently-unknown contents.

that Leader Soundwave makes absolutely no sense.

Wave got a voyager in 2019, another voyager in 2021, a rerelease of the 2019 voyager just last year, and he got a Core release last in 2021.

He literally does not need another toy.

Like SS86 leader Springer, that just stinks of wasted leader slots for more G1 overkill trying to incrementally make toys look more like the cell shaded boxes of 40 years ago.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:that Leader Soundwave makes absolutely no sense.

One very simple thing does make sense. Machine Wars Soundwave from Doubledealer. That mold hason't had a second use yet.

(Yeah, probably just wishful thinking.)

We just got Siege Soundwave reissued in Legacy last year and recently Mark Maher basically confirmed a few live streams ago (in April?) that the next Soundwave would be a new mold that matches the same size as Blaster.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:We just got Siege Soundwave reissued in Legacy last year and recently Mark Maher basically confirmed a few live streams ago (in April?) that the next Soundwave would be a new mold that matches the same size as Blaster.

Emerje

Yeah, but when he said that, he was talking about Studio Series 86, not Legacy, which makes this listing even more odd.

If I may…
Leader Soundwave may just be Netflix Soundwave whose exclusivity to Walmart has apparently expired, and will include all his tapes to bring the price up.

Not a new mold in legacy.

Alternatively, it may just be Cybertron Soundwave.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:that Leader Soundwave makes absolutely no sense.

One very simple thing does make sense. Machine Wars Soundwave from Doubledealer. That mold hason't had a second use yet.

(Yeah, probably just wishful thinking.)

If THAT'S really the upcoming Soundwave, I will laugh my ass off, drink the tears of those who wanted a Netflix Soundwave reissue, and preorder the sht out of it!

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:that Leader Soundwave makes absolutely no sense.

One very simple thing does make sense. Machine Wars Soundwave from Doubledealer. That mold hason't had a second use yet.

(Yeah, probably just wishful thinking.)

I actively hope that happens

Look what I found at my Wal-Mart:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

He literally does not need another toy.

The many fans who never got the Netflix release would say he does.

It's starting to look like a fairly big nothing burger for me, the only Bot I'm actively interested in is a new DLX Class Powerglide. That is about minibots that I want updated. Then I'm really wanting to see good close up images of Hound and hope that it's not that light in color as originally seen.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

He literally does not need another toy.

The many fans who never got the Netflix release would say he does.

I'm thinking the intent was similar to my thoughts.

Soundwave does NOT need an all-new new Leader Class toy. They could re-release the Netflix one and it would be immensely popular. I think many of us think this still might be the case, just adding in perhaps a couple Casette minions to get it to the Leader price point ( Basically the exact same as what the Netflix release was previously) That is what passes for a Leader Class currently.

If it were to be an all new slightly larger toy, I understand the sentiment that it would seem to be a waste of time and engineering budget that could be better used elsewhere. Same goes for Springer.

I gotta say I'm kinda disappointed in Leader Armada Megatron. The new figure is smaller and quite frankly duller than the original. Definitely not worth leader price, it's barely a head taller than a voyager. The only things it has over the original are better leg articulation and IMO it scales better with the original Optimus cab. Otherwise this thing is a glorified voyager.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I gotta say I'm kinda disappointed in Leader Armada Megatron. The new figure is smaller and quite frankly duller than the original. Definitely not worth leader price, it's barely a head taller than a voyager. The only things it has over the original are better leg articulation and IMO it scales better with the original Optimus cab. Otherwise this thing is a glorified voyager.

Thinking about it, I cancelled both of my preorders of Leader Armada Megs and Commander Armada OP. I already have the originals and both are displayed in the overflow room, behind more figures. So getting the updates is pointless.

...that is, until a sale happen.

Yeah I wish I waited for a sale as well. I don't regret it necessarily, because the new figure is a great display piece versus the original being the better actual toy, and I mainly just display my figures and not play with them too much. And I always loved Armada in all aspects. Toys, cartoon and comic. So new Megatron stays.

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The what? Haha i don't understand sorry

I appreciate it though!!

Dang it…
After swearing I wouldn’t get any Core Dinobots, I may have to cave for this Snarl…

You forgot the best part

o.supreme wrote:You forgot the best part

Oh yeah... oops...
That may or not have been on purpose...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Look what I found at my Wal-Mart:

I hope you bought it after opening it up like that.

Dear God I hope that leg mode for Snarl is transformed wrong, it really looks bad.

That is a very red foot that Snarl makes for the combiner.

Razorbeast88 wrote:

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The what? Haha i don't understand sorry

I appreciate it though!!

Just pay attention when you quote and see how things are written BEFORE YOU POST.
It's easy to figure out.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

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The what? Haha i don't understand sorry

I appreciate it though!!

Just pay attention when you quote and see how things are written BEFORE YOU POST.
It's easy to figure out.

Gave it a second look and understand what you mean now, thanks

Razorbeast88 wrote:Gave it a second look and understand what you mean now, thanks

There you go!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Look what I found at my Wal-Mart:

I hope you bought it after opening it up like that.

Yes it was opened post-purchase. I just couldn't help myself to wait until I got home.

Not a huge fan of how red the leg mode is, but Snarl looks really good. Can't wait to see a proper look at it whenever he gets officially revealed, but as is, I'm excited

o.supreme wrote:You forgot the best part

Now, if Swoops wings could detach and be placed on Volcanicus' back, he'd be perfect.

Just my opinion, but other than the torso, Volcanicus is a mess.
And I’m not saying more could or should have been done for this release; for being a Core class combiner, maybe this is a solid effort.
Snarl and probably Swoop seem like pretty decent individual figures, but the other four and the combined appearance as a whole don’t at all justify $60+ for me.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Just my opinion, but other than the torso, Volcanicus is a mess.
And I’m not saying more could or should have been done for this release; for being a Core class combiner, maybe this is a solid effort.
Snarl and probably Swoop seem like pretty decent individual figures, but the other four and the combined appearance as a whole don’t at all justify $60+ for me.

Remold them heavily into some random monsterbots with bright colors and I'd be all over this set.
But as run-of-the-mill Dinobots, it's a hard pass.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Just my opinion, but other than the torso, Volcanicus is a mess.
And I’m not saying more could or should have been done for this release; for being a Core class combiner, maybe this is a solid effort.
Snarl and probably Swoop seem like pretty decent individual figures, but the other four and the combined appearance as a whole don’t at all justify $60+ for me.

Remold them heavily into some random monsterbots with bright colors and I'd be all over this set.
But as run-of-the-mill Dinobots, it's a hard pass.

I'll gladly take the all-new dino combiner that's coming later this year at BotCon 2023 over this Core class Volcanicus.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Just my opinion, but other than the torso, Volcanicus is a mess.
And I’m not saying more could or should have been done for this release; for being a Core class combiner, maybe this is a solid effort.
Snarl and probably Swoop seem like pretty decent individual figures, but the other four and the combined appearance as a whole don’t at all justify $60+ for me.

Remold them heavily into some random monsterbots with bright colors and I'd be all over this set.
But as run-of-the-mill Dinobots, it's a hard pass.

I’m having trouble visualizing how this could be better…
Different colors would make a difference.
But I’d say heavy retooling is a must.
And I totally agree— some sort of monsterbots would probably help quite a bit for all modes.

william-james88 wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
He literally does not need another toy.

The many fans who never got the Netflix release would say he does.

Soundwave got a Leader in 2017 for TR.
Then a retooling of that leader for 2018 for Bumblebee, but still basically G1.
Then a new mold in 2019 for Siege that included his lamp mode.
Then the 2021 netflix voyager and core figure.
Then in 2022 a rerelease of the Siege voyager.

He did not need another toy.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Pvp review of Shadow striker is up

God, she is not good. They really should have just called her Universe Shadowstriker and given her the right head and colors. I really hate that this is what they called a "Cyberverse" release.

This is Bulkhead all over again: a figure where head and colors are all that make it the specific character they are claiming to make. And I really hate that they screwed up this bad again.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Not a huge fan of how red the leg mode is, but Snarl looks really good. Can't wait to see a proper look at it whenever he gets officially revealed, but as is, I'm excited

Snarl looks pretty good. I do not like his foot mode for sure, I am glad i got Cyberverse Universe Tiny Arms for the other leg to use the PotP feet. I might need to see if Snarl can form some other part of Volcanicus

There was a pop up event in Taiwan and titan class Nemesis from the Legacy line was available for purchase. So now fans have it in hand. We have images below from Alex. Speaking of in hand pics, we also have some of core Snarl, which is a pretty big deal since he hasn't even been revealed yet. So this is our first look at not just him but a completed Volcanicus as well. Those images come from Yahoo Auctions.

And we thank fellow Seibertronian Rodimus Prime for letting us know that Armada Megatron was found their local Walmart in Georgia. All images are below.

I also found Armada Megatron in Columbia, MD. I didn't buy it, though.

Snarl actually looks pretty good. He and Swoop seem the two that are least affected by having to be tiny combiner pieces.

Snagged my armada Megatron today in NY!

While I have nothing against the Dinkybots Volcanicus, it does make it blatantly apparent that we're never going to see a full sized Monstructor. At least not from . This makes me sad as that would be the last of the U.S. released Geewun combiner teams left to get an updated set.

Brokebot wrote:While I have nothing against the Dinkybots Volcanicus, it does make it blatantly apparent that we're never going to see a full sized Monstructor. At least not from . This makes me sad as that would be the last of the U.S. released Geewun combiner teams left to get an updated set.

Never is a long time, plus we still don't know if we'll get a redeco Constructor alongside the expected Dinoking.