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Postby camzilla51 » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:45 am

Interesting that the recording studio was BangZoom entertainment. :-? I recognize them from several Anime Expos where they held panels on how to be voice actors. I remember they specialize almost exclusively in Anime and redubbing a cartoon after it's been animated, so this might expalin the lack of acting quality style. It's possible that they are more used to casting voices that are popular in the anime crowd and not the American transformers crowd, or that they pulled a large portion of their actors from their other anime casts or even their training classes.

But that's only speculation on my part, who knows.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:11 am

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Anyone watch episode 2 yet? ...Last week I was working from home and go90 was fine. I may have to wait until I get home to watch it,...not sure if it is a problem on go 90, or because I am trying to watch on my phone. I downloaded the app to my phone, but videos aren't playing...

I know its entitled "The Council" and features Starscream...
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:54 am

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Just finished watching episode 2 - https://www.go90.com/profiles/va_e80879ee86ff49d4b169fba67d53e1c7

Anyone outside the U.S. see if it's on Machinima's YouTube channel? I couldn't see episode 1 listed from my end last week, so I presume that the international YouTube versions are only visibly listed for non-U.S. viewers.

As to my thoughts on this one, it wasn't as miserable as the first episode, with this being more of an expositional episode than anything, but the robot animation (particularly Starscream's flight and descent at the episode's start) is still very choppy despite the animation for the camera movement and for the background set pieces being just fine.

And the acting for the Council was very so-so. Starscream's probably the best one, being the mot consistent in his acting level, while Rodimus had some hiccups in his lines that could have stood to have had another take or two. The Mistress of Flame, however, was extremely wooden in her performance, sounding the most, well, robotic of the three. Really hoping the acting of the latter two improves overall as the series progresses.

Meanwhile, the CGI models for Starscream and Rodimus were particularly familiar. Starscream is essentially his CW Leader class toy with some slight modifications (blue shoulders instead of gray, his stabilizer wings shifted down to match the position of his main wings, more G1-looking null rays, etc.), while Rodimus has seams on his torso that are taken straight from his MP-9 Masterpiece toy (though, his face is distinctly his younger Hot Rod face rather than his wrinkled Rodimus Prime face, despite his being Rodimus Prime in this show).
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:11 am

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Must have been a glitch with go90 earlier, because yes now it works fine on my phone. I can see some fans complaining this episode is just a "talkie", but when viewed all together it will make much more sense. Starscream is less abrasive to me than before, but I still don't understand those that dislike him because they believe he sounds similar to Chris Latta, when in fact he sounds nothing like him. Also...I thought the Mistress of Flame was supposed to be more...I don't know...*angry* for lack of a better term. Its almost like the Mistress & Windblade swapped personalities in this series. Rodimus is ok. Overall not bad.

Also...did anyone else get a sense of Metroplex as Starscream approached the council chamber?

Oddly enough I give this episode a 3/5 (same as episode 1), whereas to me episode 1 started off great, then turned to garbage with Winblades attack, this episode was much more even paced, easy enough to do when there is mostly talking I know, but still...overall not bad. I'm cautiously optimistic as we go into next weeks episode.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Tyrannacon » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:13 am

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Watched it myself and I do mostly agree as well. I didn't think the person doing Rodimus was that bad actually. I will say the Mistress of Flame actress had a very wooden performance. I was kind of bothered by the whole "Sound the alarm!" thing she did at the end. It felt...clunky. Overall I'd say I like this episode a little better, but I'm a huge fan of exposition. I do have a more positive feeling for the series than I did after watching this one overall too.
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Machinima's Transformers Combiner Wars Episode 2 The Council Now Online

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:29 am

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The second episode of the Machinima series Transformers Combiner Wars is now online. It is titled "The Council" and features Starscream and Rodimus.

You can watch it here if you are in the US or right below in the embedded youtube video if you are outside the US.



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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby HilltopOfKaon » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:51 am

Am i the only one who can't watch it? Every time you post the episode, i'll click the link and it says " Video has been removed" or "Video not available".
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:54 am

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HilltopOfKaon wrote:Am i the only one who can't watch it? Every time you post the episode, i'll click the link and it says " Video has been removed" or "Video not available".
william-james88 wrote:You can watch it here if you are in the US or right below in the embedded youtube video if you are outside the US.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:03 am

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This episode was fine. Though with only 5 minutes, it would be fun if it didnt take one whole minute before anything happens.

Also, I really thought this would be a different story. I really thought the decepticons and autobots would be at war and dish out all their combiners in one go, rather than create an army of combiners or preventing that.

Also, that was quite the delayed reaction to Starscream getting shot and a very weak sounding alarm.

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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:05 am

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william-james88 wrote:Also, I really thought this would be a different story. I really thought the decepticons and autobots would be at war and dish out all their combiners in one go, rather than create an army of combiners or preventing that.
We were told from the press releases that this would be a post-war show with the Autobot/Decepticon civil war long over.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:26 am

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Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:Also, I really thought this would be a different story. I really thought the decepticons and autobots would be at war and dish out all their combiners in one go, rather than create an army of combiners or preventing that.
We were told from the press releases that this would be a post-war show with the Autobot/Decepticon civil war long over.

Was just expressing my thoughts from when I first heard we would get a series. And saying I would have preferred that.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:35 am

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Rodimus saying things like "turn this threat into an asset" and being the first one to suggest building an army of Combiners just... strikes me as intensely wrong.

Aside from that, the things WJ88 said and the Sound/Animation quality just generally being bad, it was okay. Though both episodes have already ended with a front shot of Optimus. Feels a little repetitive.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:43 am

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This was better, but still a bit of a mess. The opening scene didn't look great, and ended up eating more than a fifth of the episode. Storyline-wise, this was far more interesting than the first, even if characterization is all over the place. Starscream is the reasonable one, Rodimus is the warmonger, and Windblade is still playing the role of IDW Arcee. I don't fault Machinima for wanting to tell a different story than the comic, but the disconnect between this and the comic version of the story, on top of the bizarre personalities of the characters involves, leaves me wondering why they wanted to tell this story at all.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby That_Guy » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:44 am

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Liked this episode better than the last. Didn't like how over powered Windblade seemed in the last episode. Tore thru them like cheap knock offs from a dollar store.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:50 am

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Also, the council seems to have some... INTERESTING architectural decisions.

Don't want people to know you have the Enigma? Keep it in a massive glass case that according to Windblade's sniper rifle, can be seen by anyone with a decent case of binoculars.

Talking of Windblade's sniper rifle, that's another interesting architectural decision. The place where the Council, the leading party of Cybertron in a time of war, unease and crisis; is a wide-open area with not even glass between them and a bullet from miles away. Like... wow. How has no-one taken out these morons before now?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:52 am

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Kurona wrote:Rodimus saying things like "turn this threat into an asset" and being the first one to suggest building an army of Combiners just... strikes me as intensely wrong.

Yeah that part was super weird.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby shauyaun » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:53 am

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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:54 am

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Shauyaun wrote:How long is each episode?
Like five minutes?!

yup
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Wow that's umm... I did not expect that
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Aug 09, 2016 11:59 am

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Just curious, was I the only one surprised to hear them call themselves "transformers"?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Galactic Prime » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:08 pm

The voice acting is simple atrocious. It's so bad that it completely ruins any hope of this even being good
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:17 pm

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Seibertronians, it's review time! As reported on earlier, Machinima's Combiner Wars series now has a second episode, and it's now online! After a less than satisfactory first episode, this episode will really tell the fate of the series. Yay or Nay? Let's break it down to find out.

We start on Cybertron this time, as apposed to Caminus in the first episode, and we quickly change to a shot from what I'm assuming is Starscream, as it cuts back and we see him flying just a moment later. Starscream is on a reconnaissance mission, to gather information on the state of Cybertron. On his flyover, he witnesses some bombs going off on the surface below.

From this vantage point it almost looks like Starscream was the one that dropped the bombs, but I seriously doubt this is the case.

We pan backwards, as mentioned before, to see the Decepticon fly to a large silver building. Here again we have an issue with the choppy animation. As mentioned previously on the boards, Starscream appears really choppy, while the background moves fluidly with the camera.

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Starscream enters the building

Starscream enters the building from a top landing bay, and slowly descends using the thrusters on his feet. He lands and meets with Rodimus and, randomly, the Mistress of Flame. These bots are apart of the "Council" we've been hearing about.

They discuss the state and threat of the combiners, and how word of Computron and Menasor's fight has broken out on Cybertron. This is why there's so much unrest on the planet. Peace has been achieved between the AutoBots and Decepticons - and the council doesn't want to ruin that. They all consider using the "Enigma of Combination" for one reason or another. Rodimus wants to use it to take over an army of combiners, turning a threat into an asset. The Mistress wants to use it to wipe out all the combiners in one felled swoop. Starscream has an objection to this, as the combiners are transformers, too. Wiping them all out would be genocide. Besides, some of the Combiners have been loyal to, even fought for, the council.

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The Mistress feels it isn't Starscream's place to talk about killing other transformers, given his past. We also learn in this discussion that not only is Optimus Prime in hiding, but Megatron as well.

See, now we're getting somewhere. Now we have a story to work with. One that plays with the original concept that was proposed, and not too terribly I might add. There are still some issues, such as some of the lines delivered are a bit stiff, and the mouth-movement-to-actual-voice-and-words is way off and not ignore-able, but it goes leaps and bounds above episode one. But we're not done yet.

We start to view the council meeting through the scope of a sniper rifle. It targets Rodimus, Starscream, and the Mistress. The council walks over to the Enigma of Combination, and agree they should study all it's powers before making any brash decisions.

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A sniper sets up an attack on the council

The sniper is revealed to be Windblade, set on stopping the council one way or another. She decides to fire at the Enigma, and somehow misses. She hits Starscream in the shoulder, and he falls. Another problem I have is right here. There's such a weird, delayed reaction to Starscream being shot by the rest of the council. There's a good two seconds before they really do anything. The Dialogue and sound effects become a little clunky here, as the Mistress raises the alarm and Rodimus checks on the former Decepticon.

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We return to Windblade. She hears a noise behind her and immediately jumps and turns around. It's revealed to be Optimus Prime, now out of exile. He still doesn't say anything, and the episode ends pretty much on the same shot as the previous one.

Overall, episode two is a lot better than episode one. It gives us actual emotions, and actual dilemmas for the characters to face. It still suffers from that 5 minute time constraint, and trying to make people understand a whole new continuity with a new story line in 5 minutes in near-impossible. My only wish is that the past to episodes would have had a bit more of each other in them. Meaning, episode one, the hard-to-follow action-feast that it was, could have definitely used a little more (or, a lot more) story. And, on the flip side, episode two could have used a bit more battles and action. But, all in all, you're starting to win me back Machinima. That Wheeljack name-drop didn't hurt, either.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:25 pm

Boring. I don't want to see Autobots and Decepticons talking unless they're talking about breaking each other.

The mistress of Flame is just taking up space. She doesn't look like she can transform into anything, so she shouldn't be in TRANSFORMERS.

The last episode was 10x better than this one.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:25 pm

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Bronzewolf wrote:That Wheeljack name-drop didn't hurt, either.


They mentioned Wheeljack?...didn't catch that.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:29 pm

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Bronzewolf wrote:That Wheeljack name-drop didn't hurt, either.


They mentioned Wheeljack?...didn't catch that.


Yep. Just before Scream gets shot, when they're all looking at the Enigma. Rodimus says something like "I can have Wheeljack take a look at-"
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #350 - Oops! All Optimus
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