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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:12 pm

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Kurona wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZZOKHT1t0U

I... I really don't have a clue what's going on anymore. It's just a lot of things happening.


Kurona wrote:I'm starting to feel really weird about this series.

Like, it's bad; no doubt about it (and unless the last episode is a miracle of writing that's not going to change). And there's so many things on this episode I could comment on and criticise - the half-hearted undeserved death scene, the original 'ultimate combiner' design for Starscream before he broke up being really bland, just everything in general being an unexplained mess...

But I can't. I can't really bring myself to. I don't really feel anger or disappointment when I watch this anymore; I just feel kind of... empty. Like. There's just nothing. It's just there, and it's bad, and it's embarrassing. And it's nothing.


Lol I think Kurona finally snapped. I think it finally broke her. EDIT: Though, after seeing it, I have to say I agree 100%
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby DarkEnergon » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:12 pm

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Wow, that episode was crap. A whole lot of nothing happening. I was frustrated with how annoyed everyone was at the last episode, but was thinking well with Starscream it will be interesting. No, just some random stuff getting blowed up. And how many times did Megatron have junk fall on him and Optimus help him up? Why does Starscream want all the power - to blow everything up? Get back at everyone for teasing him? Because he things he's the best leader for cybertron?

I really like the animation style and art, actually, but I also like my adolescent-variety carnage to invite me to guess a little bit why and where it's going.

Oh, and I can't even show my kids this harmless show because at the bottom of the Go90 app is always a talk show about sex toys or something.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:16 pm

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DarkEnergon wrote:Oh, and I can't even show my kids this harmless show because at the bottom of the Go90 app is always a talk show about sex toys or something.


maximize screen...show episode...dismiss the kids...close app. Trust me I know all about this ;)
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:21 pm

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Can someone please tell me what that was? I mean, it made 0 sense what So ever at all, there was no emotion to any of it. It's supposed to be this big, powerful scene filled with tension and drama but
You feel nothing!!!
It feels like a mashed-together scrap pile of terrible writing, directing, and sound effects. From Windblade's "Death scene" to Starscream's random yell at the very end that looked and sounded like something out of the 5 Nights at Freddy's games. I... I don't even want to review it! It was set up so well over the last couple of episodes in my opinion, and then they go and do this!

Ugh, I think it broke me, as well.

(I will review the episode later, and it won't be as harsh as this comment, don't worry. This was just my initial reaction. Sorry to go all Nostalgia Critic on you all.)
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:34 pm

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Randomhero wrote: As for their personalities, why do they have to be exactly like the cartoon or marvel comic?

I am confused...you were the one that first mentioned DW characters did not fit their personalities...I just redirected your thoughts towards IDW..because to ME Those characters are the ones that do not fit...

All the story points you mentioned mean little if someone simply doesn't enjoy them. Of all the IDW stories..Stormbringer was ok...All Hail Megatron was the best. I had high hopes for Combiner Wars but it was a bit of a let down (not nearly as bad as this animated series however)Sorry...Megatron being an Autobot is just plain stupid, that is just one example of many. The reason why I enjoyed DW so much is yes because it in some ways reminded me of the original animated series I enjoy to this day (while clearly not being the same), and nothing else has come close. When I read DW comics I can clearly hear all the animated character voices in my head...when I read IDW...Its like hearing the Omni Productions English dub of Headmasters... its just not right.


I also stated that while DW just shoehorned characters in to fit in with their waves mate without regard for their personalities they were trying so hard to be the cartoon. IDW has never tried to be the cartoon. They've worked to be their own thing. DW wanted desperately to be the cartoon but sacrificed certain characters personalities to just put them together with their wave mates as if they had toys on the shelves when they didn't.

To be honest I don't hear the cartoon voices in IDW and I don't mind. It doesn't bother me. A lot admit they hear Animated megatron from MTMTE Megs. Personally I hear Fred Tadashore from war/fall of Cybertron. I grew up and enjoy the cartoon too, I believe it still holds up but I don't find it to be the best thing about transformers
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot N » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:40 pm

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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:41 pm

The G1 cartoon is what got kids pushing their parents into a toy buying frenzy back in '84. The comic didn't make any waves. The toys were released under the Diaclone banner years before and no one cared. The G1 cartoon is what made Transformers so popular, so every cartoon and comic should be like the G1 cartoon.

DW got it right. IDW got it wrong. Machinima is dead wrong to follow IDW. This episode was horrible. I understand that the series has a tight budget. They shouldn't have called it Combiner Wars if they can't afford to give us the war that they're advertising. They would have been better off giving us a smaller scale Windblade story.

What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot N » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:43 pm

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1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Sep 13, 2016 12:49 pm

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I will finish the last episode, but this to me hasn't been very good. Very.... something. I would need time to think about proper words for it
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:04 pm

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1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.

Nah. The animation - style, errors and all - was part of it's charm.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:37 pm

Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:40 pm

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D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I will finish the last episode, but this to me hasn't been very good. Very.... something. I would need time to think about proper words for it


Too fast-paced is something that comes to mind. I had no time to connect to Windblade, so I was 0% sad about her... whatever happened. At least Starscream in that form is pretty hilarious. :lol: (He kinda reminds me of the Walrider from Outlast in that final form.) :shock:
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:43 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby 1984forever » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:43 pm

Kurona wrote:
1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.

Nah. The animation - style, errors and all - was part of it's charm.
Yes and we'll all keep our old G1 DVDs.

But there hasn't been a watchable Transformers show in almost 30 years! If they can't come out with anything better, then do like the classics toy line and improve upon the old.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Autobot N » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:46 pm

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1984forever wrote:But there hasn't been a watchable Transformers show in almost 30 years!
That's an opinion, one which I do not share. Prime (in my opinion, of course) was very good.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:46 pm

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Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

1984forever wrote:
Kurona wrote:
1984forever wrote:What Hasbro should do is simply reanimate the G1 cartoon with better action sequences using the current toy models while keeping all the old audio.

Nah. The animation - style, errors and all - was part of it's charm.
Yes and we'll all keep our old G1 DVDs.

But there hasn't been a watchable Transformers show in almost 30 years! If they can't come out with anything better, then do like the classics toy line and improve upon the old.


Animated was pretty great, and Prime was excellent. Just because it ain't g1 doesn't mean it's not great.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:48 pm

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Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:50 pm

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Kurona wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


He, Scourge, and another awesome version of Fort Max were all great things that came out of RiD. ;)^
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Decepticon Stryker » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:55 pm

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SillySpringer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


He, Scourge, and another awesome version of Fort Max were all great things that came out of RiD. ;)^

It also have us a figure that has almost twice as many modes as Sixshot.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Tue Sep 13, 2016 1:57 pm

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Decepticon Stryker wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
SillySpringer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


He, Scourge, and another awesome version of Fort Max were all great things that came out of RiD. ;)^

It also have us a figure that has almost twice as many modes as Sixshot.


That is also an awesome thing.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:11 pm

Kurona wrote:
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Kurona wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Series is still better than Energon. I guess that's not hard when energon sets the bar so low through

I guess I can at least say I've been able to get through all episodes of this. Energon I was only able to make it to Episode 17 before quitting out of sheer unbearability (also they turned the only good character, Demolishor, into a generic mook)

... then again, if we're going by that criteria I guess I dislike RiD 2001 worse than both since I got through only a few episodes of that (I think only until the one where they introduced the combaticon recolours and scourge?) before I couldn't take the boredom anymore


I really liked RiD 2001 actually. It was pretty good to me. Energon was ear-torture to me though. Kicker needed to die in a fire. :evil: I never got through more than four episodes if that much.

Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all.
Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:17 pm

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Knew discussion of "bringing back the G1 cartoon" was coming. Been waiting to play the following card for some time now on the subject of continuing the G1 cartoon in this day and age: Jim Sorenson wrote the following about this very subject awhile back, explaining why continuing the G1 cartoon today wouldn't work at all:

Precisely. I just rewatched the last 4 minutes of The Rebirth and there's nothing there designed to lead the audience to believe that the series is meant to continue. The deliveries, the musical cues, the overall tone, and of course the Golden Age bit are all designed to make you feel a sense of satisfaction and conclusion. What dangling plot points that are left seem clearly to be of the "it never ends" variety, rather than the "tune in next week" variety.

But to address the larger issue, even if S4 didn't end with a very satisfying conclusion (though what I wouldn't give to be able to skip over to the parallel universe where they gave David Wise 5 episodes to accomplish all of this rather than three!) a direct sequel, today, would be a certain misfire. Consider.

It wouldn't SOUND like the G1 cartoon. Many of the vocal cast has passed on. Some no longer act. Some would just be prohibitively expensive. Wally Burr just had a serious stroke. So you'd be casting new people, with a new vocal director. Maybe the old music and sound effects could be dug up. Maybe. But the voices would certainly be different.

It wouldn't LOOK like the G1 cartoon. The animation industry has evolved. Would it be IMPOSSIBLE to make something look just like Sunbow? I suppose not. But no one's doing that right now, which means you'd have to relearn all those techniques. And that'd, again, be prohibitively expensive. Much much much more likely you'd bring in a modern studio using modern techniques and then get a modern looking cartoon. Maybe they'd use the old animation models. Maybe. But creative people like to put their own spin on things, as they should, and I suspect you'd get all the characters redesigned.

It wouldn't be WRITTEN like the G1 cartoon. Admittedly this would probably be the easiest one to get right, since guys like Wise and Dille are still around. But, as we saw with ReGeneration One, there's this weight of history and expectations that would be hard to resist. Had we gotten a full-on season 4 or a proper season 5 back in the day, the show would have continued to have a zany, episodic structure only loosely punctuated by a few tentpole continuity-heavy episodes. Were someone to try to revisit it now, there would be an overly big focus on the classic characters (the Bumblebees, Soundwaves, Galvatrons, Hot Rods, Grimlocks, etc) and not the new waves of toys we actually got in year 4 and 5. And there would be the temptation to make the series bigger, include season-long arcs and subplots, and that just wasn't how TV was written back them.

And a show that looks, sounds, and is structured differently than the G1 toon, well, it just wouldn't be the G1 toon, no matter what continuity it purports to be in. Better to just move on, make something that can be unabashedly, unashamedly new. If you must, MUST have more Sunbow, I'd suggest that a Dille / Guidi partnership could probably do a credible job of bringing it to the pages of a comic. But I think the whole idea is flawed and unnecessary.

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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:20 pm

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Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


Not to split hairs...but I actually prefer Energon to Armada. I'm not saying Energon is good mind you..But I'll take the combining gimmick over lamepokemonminicons any day, and to me Kicker is almost likable next to Billy & Fred. I think they along with that pink bunny from Zone are the only organic characters I've wished death upon in a TF animated series.
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Kurona » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:24 pm

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o.supreme wrote:
Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


Not to split hairs...but I actually prefer Energon to Armada. I'm not saying Energon is good mind you..But I'll take the combining gimmick over lamepokemonminicons any day, and to me Kicker is almost likable next to Billy & Fred. I think they along with that pink bunny from Zone are the only organic characters I've wished death upon in a TF animated series.

... okay, we can at least all agree that Kiss Players is the worst thing ever and should never have existed, right?
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Re: Machinima Transformers Combiner Wars Animated Series Discussion Thread

Postby Bronzewolf » Tue Sep 13, 2016 2:25 pm

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Kurona wrote:
o.supreme wrote:
Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, Energon was easily the worst cartoon; no question about it. I think it's the one thing everyone here can agree on. Was just making fun of my own criteria is all. Plus, even if I didn't like RiD; I have to admit it at least gave us Sky-Byte.


Not to split hairs...but I actually prefer Energon to Armada. I'm not saying Energon is good mind you..But I'll take the combining gimmick over lamepokemonminicons any day, and to me Kicker is almost likable next to Billy & Fred. I think they along with that pink bunny from Zone are the only organic characters I've wished death upon in a TF animated series.

... okay, we can at least all agree that Kiss Players is the worst thing ever and should never have existed, right?

Yes. Yes. We all can agree on that.
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