DeathReviews wrote:This news isn't all that welcome. I was hoping the updated MP Megatron would be EASIER to transform than the original. Now there was a figure that you had to sit down for a long time to convert. I wound up leaving him in robot mode for the longest time because transforming him was such a pain...
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Wolfman Jake wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I disagree.
The original toy version is not what I want. As for a "toy" version, you seem to misunderstand what I and perhaps others are referring to. I/we want this toy in more "realistic" colours, not anime ones. This was something Takara has done with MP Optimus and also, via alternate stickers and faces, etc, with the likes of MP Inferno.
This shows that you are wrong on this. Takara have already shown a precedent in providing two different versions. I just wished they had either included these options in this figure out announced a metallic version sooner (which they've done with almost every Japanese release of a g1 style Megatron to date).
As for "It's only in Japan", then I question your opinion. I live in Japan and have spoken with Japanese collectors, who have voiced similar opinions and/or acknowledged that this release has been inconsistent with other Japanese releases. Also, Takara also officially releases their products through Hasbro Asia and I'm also sure fully understands their products are bought by fans all over the world. While I'm sure they cannot please everyone, everywhere, they are sure to have considered, and will consider international opinions. Marlboor was a rather extreme example of this, with Takara having no obligation to change their design, but did so after pressure from Philip Morris (admittedly not a customer though).
If all you want is a shiny version of MP-36, it could certainly happen at some point in the future, but expecting Takara to have offered something like that concurrent with the standard version of Masterpiece Megatron MP-36 doesn't make any sense, and I'll cite precedence in the Masterpiece line to prove such. MP-29 Masterpiece Shockwave was released in his cartoon accurate light purple/lavender color scheme back in March 2016. There is demand for a more toy-accurate dark purple edition, but it's not happened yet. We do have an example of getting a toy version and cartoon version of a Masterpiece figure with MP-14 Red Alert, but those two releases were almost FOUR YEARS apart. It doesn't really seem "inconsistent" for the modern Masterpiece line when you look at what is happening with MP-36 and compared it to MP-14/+ and MP-29. It makes business sense for Takara not to pair up their alternate versions together. When a new version is released later on, people are more likely to double dip to get the version that is "superior" to them. If you offered all choices at once, people will just pick their favorite and be done with it. Again, that's just the reality of the business world.
Yes, there are some recent examples of Masterpieces designed to give the best of both worlds with interchangeable display options, like MP-33 Inferno and MP-33 Grapple, but in that case, it's a matter of molding, not paint apps, that create the desired effect. It was easy enough for Takara to design these figures to include more "realistic" or "toy accurate" vehicle fronts with chromed bumpers and extra details, like windshield wipers, and simplified cartoon fronts based on the animated character models. This is a very recent development in the Masterpiece line too. Not even the recent MP-27 Ironhide and MP-30 Ratchet offered this. Also, you can't exactly offer different molding to give Megatron more red on his inner calves or silver chrome all over his body.
For you, I hope there is another release of MP-36 that's closer to what you want in terms of deco, and in fact, that might be likely (as is another shot at Shockwave with darker purple paint/plastic), since those molds are pretty uniquely those characters and hard to redeco into any other character. Takara does like to get a LOT of uses out of each Masterpiece mold. To be honest, though, expect MP-20 Wheeljack to get a cartoon deco release first, as anime is the direction Masterpiece is going right now.
SpikeyTigertron wrote:My money is on Tak-Mall doing a Marvel Blue/Silver Megs and or Browning over a chromed "toy" version of Megs.
Sabrblade wrote:But, to give some redeco ideas for something beyond just "Megatron as himself but with a slight change of color", there's there black version, the gold MP-5 version, the unreleased "safety" version, the "Man of Iron" cover/Conder Verlag covers version, Megaplex, Emirate Xaaron...
- 1984 Hasbro version: Silver chrome and red, stock, silencer, sight/Fusion Cannon, handheld gun, no spring-loaded bullet-firing gimmick
- 1985 Hasbro version A: The 1984 Hasbro version w/ a rubsign on the toy's right arm
- 1985 Hasbro version B: The 1894 Hasbro version w/ a rubsign on the toy's left hip guard
- 1985 Takara version: Flat gray and blue, handheld gun, sword, 20 blue bullets, spring-loaded bullet-firing gimmick
- 1985 Takara "Convoy VS Megatron" version: The 1985 Takara version packaged with Optimus Prime
- 1986 Takara "Good Bye Megatron" version: Flat gray and red, sight/Fusion Cannon, sword, handheld gun, 20 red bullets, spring-loaded bullet-firing gimmick, packaged with Starscream
- 2001 Takara reissue version: Silver chrome and red, stock, silencer, sight/Fusion Cannon, handheld gun, sword, 20 bullets, spring-loaded bullet-firing gimmick
- 2001 e-HOBBY Black version: The 2001 Takara reissue version in dark gunmetal chrome, black, red, and brown
- 2003 Takara Transformers Collection version: The 2001 Takara reissue version with a new Energon flail, Transformers Collection packaging, and a Decepticon mouse pad
- 2003 e-HOBBY Collector's Edition Megaplex version: The 1985 Takara version with all of the 2003 Takara Transformers Collection version, with the flail now yellow instead of purple
- Unreleased Hasbro Commemorative Series Lava Megatron"/"Safety Megatron" version: blue chrome, orange, red, silencer, stock, sight/Fusion Cannon, handheld gun, sword, no spring-loaded bullet-firing gimmick
- 2007 Takara Encore version: The 2001 Takara reissue version, but now with tan-shaded gray plastic and tan-shaded silver chrome
- 2009 e-HOBBY Collector's Edition Black version: The 2001 e-HOBBY Black version packaged in Collector's Edition packaging and with an all new comic
- 2011 e-HOBBY Chronicle version: 1986 Takara "Good Bye Megatron" version with a darker gray, tampographed symbols, no Starscream, and packaged with a redeco of Voyager DOTM Megatron
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
primalxconvoy wrote:Thanks. I see your points for Shockwave, but that toy, plus Inferno, at least got extra parts and stickers to give either a fully cartoon or (partially?) non-cartoon look.
Short for "Baka Takara" (meaning "Stupid Takara", "Idiot Takara", "Dummy Takara", "Foolish Takara", etc.), I'm guessing.Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, why do you keep spelling Takara as "Bakara?"
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:fenrir72 wrote:So the price isn't the main take away? 3rd party is just as expensive or more than the official. Not that I have any aversion for 3rd party though I noticed something quirky/ a pattern of thought in some opinions Dmax, some statements in the official thread extol the advantages of 3rd party while in the 3rd party, it's the opposite, extolling the 1st party, all from the same source. You can't win them all I guess.
Alright, let me try to straighten out my seemingly confusing thought process for you (no snark here, this is pure my thought process):
I am ok with 3rd parties. I have nothing against them. There are occasional 3P stuff that I see that I like, like the 3P IDW Rodimus's (Rodimi?) and I would not be against getting them, but I lack the money, and don't think it's overly worth it to pay that sort of price unless it is meant to be a masterpiece. It mainly comes down to liking 3P stuff that isn't trying to be a big deal toy, but rather something that no one will do or will do for a long long time.
Then it comes to 3P masterpiece stuff. I like, but I don't have desire to own since the official MP line is chugging along and it is good. There aren't that many figures I would get as MP's, but they are there and at the rate they are going we will get them at some point.
so i like 3P stuff of things less likely to actually get toys, but i like official stuff more for masterpieces, and I like official stuff better. Price is always a factor, hence the lack of things very expensive and not mainline/in stores available in my collection, but sometimes things are worth it. No 3P stuff has proven worthy enough yet, and only 2 MP's have. When it comes to price, I'm hard to please.
Does that help at all
primalxconvoy wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I disagree.
The original toy version is not what I want. As for a "toy" version, you seem to misunderstand what I and perhaps others are referring to. I/we want this toy in more "realistic" colours, not anime ones. This was something Takara has done with MP Optimus and also, via alternate stickers and faces, etc, with the likes of MP Inferno.
This shows that you are wrong on this. Takara have already shown a precedent in providing two different versions. I just wished they had either included these options in this figure out announced a metallic version sooner (which they've done with almost every Japanese release of a g1 style Megatron to date).
As for "It's only in Japan", then I question your opinion. I live in Japan and have spoken with Japanese collectors, who have voiced similar opinions and/or acknowledged that this release has been inconsistent with other Japanese releases. Also, Takara also officially releases their products through Hasbro Asia and I'm also sure fully understands their products are bought by fans all over the world. While I'm sure they cannot please everyone, everywhere, they are sure to have considered, and will consider international opinions. Marlboor was a rather extreme example of this, with Takara having no obligation to change their design, but did so after pressure from Philip Morris (admittedly not a customer though).
If all you want is a shiny version of MP-36, it could certainly happen at some point in the future, but expecting Takara to have offered something like that concurrent with the standard version of Masterpiece Megatron MP-36 doesn't make any sense, and I'll cite precedence in the Masterpiece line to prove such. MP-29 Masterpiece Shockwave was released in his cartoon accurate light purple/lavender color scheme back in March 2016. There is demand for a more toy-accurate dark purple edition, but it's not happened yet. We do have an example of getting a toy version and cartoon version of a Masterpiece figure with MP-14 Red Alert, but those two releases were almost FOUR YEARS apart. It doesn't really seem "inconsistent" for the modern Masterpiece line when you look at what is happening with MP-36 and compared it to MP-14/+ and MP-29. It makes business sense for Takara not to pair up their alternate versions together. When a new version is released later on, people are more likely to double dip to get the version that is "superior" to them. If you offered all choices at once, people will just pick their favorite and be done with it. Again, that's just the reality of the business world.
Yes, there are some recent examples of Masterpieces designed to give the best of both worlds with interchangeable display options, like MP-33 Inferno and MP-33 Grapple, but in that case, it's a matter of molding, not paint apps, that create the desired effect. It was easy enough for Takara to design these figures to include more "realistic" or "toy accurate" vehicle fronts with chromed bumpers and extra details, like windshield wipers, and simplified cartoon fronts based on the animated character models. This is a very recent development in the Masterpiece line too. Not even the recent MP-27 Ironhide and MP-30 Ratchet offered this. Also, you can't exactly offer different molding to give Megatron more red on his inner calves or silver chrome all over his body.
For you, I hope there is another release of MP-36 that's closer to what you want in terms of deco, and in fact, that might be likely (as is another shot at Shockwave with darker purple paint/plastic), since those molds are pretty uniquely those characters and hard to redeco into any other character. Takara does like to get a LOT of uses out of each Masterpiece mold. To be honest, though, expect MP-20 Wheeljack to get a cartoon deco release first, as anime is the direction Masterpiece is going right now.
Thanks. I see your points for Shockwave, but that toy, plus Inferno, at least got extra parts and stickers to give either a fully cartoon or (partially?) non-cartoon look.
As far as I've seen in my MP Megatron box, there are no additional stickers to at least give him a "normal" faction symbol. If the slightly metallic grey paint was Bakara's attempt at a compromise, and they've done so before with other MP figures, then why have they omitted at least the option for a symbol?
I hope TT releases a non-cartoon version, but if they are too slow, and/or a KO company beats them to the punch with a revised KO of this figure, I might bite and then not bother to pre-order these from Amazon Japan line I've done in the past. I'll be more wary of TT's efforts and look to 3P or KOs for "proper" or higher quality MPs.
That's why I believe it's important for TT to pull their fingers out and give two choices near to each other, or at least announced around the same time; it can forestall customers like me from choosing alternatives from other companies, while upbringing customer faith that a version for them will be out.
As for transforming it, I'm going to watch Ben's, Wotofa's and Chosen Prime's long reviews before and while doing so.
I hope one day they an easy to transform MP Megs will come out!
Kurona wrote:Was the original Microchange toy that became Megatron released in any colours other than the one we all know? Any bizarre greens or blues or something?
Actually, that's something. A G2-coloured MP-36. I don't care how little sense it makes, go for the tacky camouflage that only works in forests of purple trees!
Bumblebee21 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Opposite for me. I had no interest but the in hand images from yesterday and the review have made me want him. Maybe not at the moment due to some stuff, but a couple months down the road he will be worth the grab
the main takeaway are all the qc issues.
hes gonna have paint chips all over if you transform him. if you put the silencer on him hes gonna chip.
theres no way to prevent paint chipping on him.
at least you can transform apollyon without getting scratches on him
and its not just him.
mp-35 gets paint scratches from the crane transformation
mp-34 and the easy breakage points.
dont even get me started with ironhide
See, the issues you are bringing up are issues that I have only heard of rarely. Besides, I'm not sure how often I'll transform him, though I will transform him. I've accepted that he will be difficult, but I will still transform him. I'll just have free time and not something on TV I'd want to watch but more listen to.
And while you are obsessed with the 3P stuff, I really am not. I ordered that Iron Maiden last semester that was a bust, but that is it. 3P stuff just hasn't appealed to me yet. And I kind of do prefer the look of this guy over 3P stuff.
Plus, call me a stickler or whatever, but I feel a bit better about owning something official. It feels I dunno, more special and more worth it.
either way, this guy in some form or another will hopefully be mine within the next 6 months. He's grown on me.
all the time i hear people talking about paint issues on mp-35 and now mp-36
you dont really hear about it much because most that do still praise the figure and the ones that have big problems with it get overshadowed by those ones.
same thing with mp-36. in Paik's and Phamduc's reviews you can see all the paint chips that have happened.
im not that obsessed with 3rd party figures its just that when i feel like takara hasnt done a good job i go 3rd party.its easier now because takara is going full toon so if i want a trailbreaker that is black i have to go 3rd party.william-james88 wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:dont even get me started with ironhide
What was wrong with ironhide? And paint chips are part of the deal at this point since most of the surface of these MP toys are painted instead of using coloured plastic. It was really too bad with Hot Rodimus since a lot of the paint rubbed off on mine but I still find the toy great.
i kknew that there would be paint chips on him but i didnt think soo fast. the chrome is rusted and faded.i wouldnt say rusted as its wore off so much that it looks like rust. the thumbs are broken. i played with him a lot and i was always careful taking stuff in and out. the left leg is really loose.
these are supposed to be collectors items but they way everything breaks and chips so easily makes them feel like glorified chugs. as much as i want mp-36. whos to say that i will get it spend $230 of money that i have to work hard to get since im 15 and dont get much money to get him in hand go to transform him or play ith him and he chips and something breaks.i love ironhide even with his flaws but my ko wheeljack and ko thundercracker have better paint applications than him. well mainly thundercracker.
then takara decides to make an aesthetic change in the middle of the line to go full toon.
im sorry about this rant.
mp-36 does look great.
im not trying to get you not to buy them. thats never my intent at all.
i just share my opinion and what i hear.
im sorry if sometimes i sound mean, rude, or snippy. i try my best not too. it doesnt help that when i read it sounds rude.
and where i found the pics
https://tfsource.com/blog/2017/03/28/dr ... ointments/
Sabrblade wrote:Short for "Baka Takara" (meaning "Stupid Takara", "Idiot Takara", "Dummy Takara", "Foolish Takara", etc.), I'm guessing.Wolfman Jake wrote:By the way, why do you keep spelling Takara as "Bakara?"
Cyberpath wrote:Another batch of neat stuff from people on the Internet --
Cyberpath wrote:
Burn wrote:Let it be known, I murdered Amelie.
Accidentally.
Sigma Magnus wrote:Cyberpath wrote:
...this is cute. WHY IS THIS CUTE
DeathReviews wrote:This news isn't all that welcome. I was hoping the updated MP Megatron would be EASIER to transform than the original. Now there was a figure that you had to sit down for a long time to convert. I wound up leaving him in robot mode for the longest time because transforming him was such a pain...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hello everyone,
If you are receiving this email it means that you have purchased Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron from The Chosen Prime and we would like to thank you for your patronage. Takara Tomy has yet again made a great stride in innovation and design with this figure. However, with this groundbreaking design, we have encountered a few cautionary issues we would like you to be aware of. After taking a few days with the figure myself and having another copy in the hands of our reviewer Andrew, we felt it was best to proactively let everyone know of these potential issues.
First, we have experienced paint wear and flaking do to he transformation sequence and complexity of the figure. This is something that we have noticed both upon opening the figure and also after a few times through the transformation process. Please keep in mind, The Chosen Prime will not be able to assist with paint defects on this figure so we urge you to be careful as you step through the transformation and know that you may still experience some paint related issues.
We have also encountered a fitment issue when applying the silencer to the barrel. This process caused extensive wear and black “scuffing” on the diecast barrel after only two times of applying and removing it. Due to this, we are recommending that you DO NOT apply this accessory to the figure at all. And again, please be advised that The Chosen Prime cannot fix damage caused by transformation.
If this email reaches you and you don’t wish to proceed with your purchase, we completely understand and will offer a complete refund for the figure at your request. Please send any such requests prior to your item shipping out. If you item has already shipped, please refuse shipment and refunds will be processed immediately upon the items return to our headquarters. If you have any additional questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Brandon Weik
The Chosen Prime
602.708.3091
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Mindmaster wrote:Got this from my shop. Obviously we know about it at this point, but in case there's some that don'tHello everyone,
If you are receiving this email it means that you have purchased Takara Tomy MP-36 Megatron from The Chosen Prime and we would like to thank you for your patronage. Takara Tomy has yet again made a great stride in innovation and design with this figure. However, with this groundbreaking design, we have encountered a few cautionary issues we would like you to be aware of. After taking a few days with the figure myself and having another copy in the hands of our reviewer Andrew, we felt it was best to proactively let everyone know of these potential issues.
First, we have experienced paint wear and flaking do to he transformation sequence and complexity of the figure. This is something that we have noticed both upon opening the figure and also after a few times through the transformation process. Please keep in mind, The Chosen Prime will not be able to assist with paint defects on this figure so we urge you to be careful as you step through the transformation and know that you may still experience some paint related issues.
We have also encountered a fitment issue when applying the silencer to the barrel. This process caused extensive wear and black “scuffing” on the diecast barrel after only two times of applying and removing it. Due to this, we are recommending that you DO NOT apply this accessory to the figure at all. And again, please be advised that The Chosen Prime cannot fix damage caused by transformation.
If this email reaches you and you don’t wish to proceed with your purchase, we completely understand and will offer a complete refund for the figure at your request. Please send any such requests prior to your item shipping out. If you item has already shipped, please refuse shipment and refunds will be processed immediately upon the items return to our headquarters. If you have any additional questions please let me know.
Sincerely,
Brandon Weik
The Chosen Prime
602.708.3091
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