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[Randomhero]

NOOOO!!!! WE NEED A UW LIOKAISER TO PUT HASBRO'S SHIT-TASTIC CARNIVAL OF CRAP TO SHAME!!!

Well as Steal Your Goats put it, there could still be a toy it just wouldnt be linked to these comics.

There is still 0 evidence it's happening though, so it's just wishful thinking at this point.

Hasbro's lio is fine. I just got mine a couple weeks ago and I can't stop playing with him.

[Evil Eye]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

[Sabrblade]

Randomhero when i read up on Galvatron II it (currently) indicates they're the same Galvatron II

My preference would be that Marvels Galvatron II be separate from the Takara Galvatron II.


Especially after all those Prowls on the prowl

It's intended to be both but he has those weird yellow lighting/flames from that art.

Which were on the Galvatron II toy as sticker decals.

Maybe whatever it says in this comic's backstory for Galvatron II might explain Galvatron II's appearance in the old story pages and tie all that in with Galvatron II's other JG1 appearances.

There's also the notion of his and Grand Scourge's fate in this comic. They both seem to fall into a portal of some kind. Where/when they end up might be something to come about later.

[Randomhero]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.


Something is better than nothing. Thank god transformers is as huge as it is and we get so much. Could be worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

[Evil Eye]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.

I wouldn't call Mixmaster's feeble arm-flaps and Scrapper's empty thighs "only noticeable if you're tearing it apart". They're ugly as hell and reduce the structural integrity of the toy.

Something is better than nothing.

I'd argue a disappointing product is actually worse than no product at all- at least with nothing there's a chance we'll get a good one later on, whereas we're not likely to get a better official Devastator for years now.

Thank god transformers is a huge as it is and we get so much. Could b worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

Yes, yes, we get it, you're grateful for everything HasTak poops out no matter how objectively disappointing, like a good little consumer. That's fine but don't chastise the rest of us when we want something a little better. And guess what, HasTak aren't going to step up their game unless we tell them "This isn't good enough". Showering them with praise for everything they do isn't a healthy approach.

[Cobotron]

So without a translation of the comic, is it fair to assume that:

Those united warriors of Unite Warriors united in war against Unicron?

[Kurona]

So without a translation of the comic, is it fair to assume that:

Those united warriors of Unite Warriors united in war against Unicron?

Sorry, maybe it's just me but your post seems a little vague - are you trying to imply there is some sort of Unity going on here?

[Cobotron]

So without a translation of the comic, is it fair to assume that:

Those united warriors of Unite Warriors united in war against Unicron?

Sorry, maybe it's just me but your post seems a little vague - are you trying to imply there is some sort of Unity going on here?

[hinomars19]

CONVOY GRAND PRIME ROLLER EDITION!!!!!

Makes me wish I was splashing out on all the UW sets!

Is the heart at the end the Zodiac from Zone? Specifically as depicted in the TV Magazine story pages once corrupted by Violenjiger?

[Coptur]

I'm definitely looking forward to the translation and the next takara story.

With both Galvatron II and Grand Scoruge together that next universe/timezone they got ported into are in for destructive time

[Dagon]

NOOOO!!!! WE NEED A UW LIOKAISER TO PUT HASBRO'S SHIT-TASTIC CARNIVAL OF CRAP TO SHAME!!!

Well as Steal Your Goats put it, there could still be a toy it just wouldnt be linked to these comics.

There is still 0 evidence it's happening though, so it's just wishful thinking at this point.

Hasbro's lio is fine. I just got mine a couple weeks ago and I can't stop playing with him.

The Platinum Liokaiser is pretty great.

But, if there's currently no evidence of a UW Liokaiser, it must be true that there won't be. After all, we had zero evidence of a new gun mode MP Megatron, or a CW Computron, or a Deluxe class figure for Groove, Wildrider or Slingshot in CW, or so many other figures that we absolutely, positively never, ever got or will ever get. So obviously, ' no evidence right now ' clearly means that something will never, ever happen. Ever.

[william-james88]

NOOOO!!!! WE NEED A UW LIOKAISER TO PUT HASBRO'S SHIT-TASTIC CARNIVAL OF CRAP TO SHAME!!!

Well as Steal Your Goats put it, there could still be a toy it just wouldnt be linked to these comics.

There is still 0 evidence it's happening though, so it's just wishful thinking at this point.

Hasbro's lio is fine. I just got mine a couple weeks ago and I can't stop playing with him.

The Platinum Liokaiser is pretty great.

But, if there's currently no evidence of a UW Liokaiser, it must be true that there won't be. After all, we had zero evidence of a new gun mode MP Megatron, or a CW Computron, or a Deluxe class figure for Groove, Wildrider or Slingshot in CW, or so many other figures that we absolutely, positively never, ever got or will ever get. So obviously, ' no evidence right now ' clearly means that something will never, ever happen. Ever.

No one ever said it would never happen ever. But if it does happen, it wont be an answer to Hasbro's like all the others were. I think thats an important distinction. its like when Universe Silverbolt came out and someone might have said "I will wait for takara's combining Silverbolt". It happened, 10 years later or so, but it wasnt in response to Universe silverbolt. We will get a better Liokaiser some day for sure, just like we got a better Gun Megatron. but I dont see it as a continuation of the UW line being compatible with the other CW toys.

And CW Computron was rumoured from even before we had Devastator confirmed.

[Sabrblade]

Is the heart at the end the Zodiac from Zone? Specifically as depicted in the TV Magazine story pages once corrupted by Violenjiger?

Yes. It's the Zodiac seen within the Earth in the Zone OVA.

Not sure why it's in this comic, though. We really need an English translation.

[Randomhero]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.

I wouldn't call Mixmaster's feeble arm-flaps and Scrapper's empty thighs "only noticeable if you're tearing it apart". They're ugly as hell and reduce the structural integrity of the toy.

Something is better than nothing.

I'd argue a disappointing product is actually worse than no product at all- at least with nothing there's a chance we'll get a good one later on, whereas we're not likely to get a better official Devastator for years now.

Thank god transformers is a huge as it is and we get so much. Could b worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

Yes, yes, we get it, you're grateful for everything HasTak poops out no matter how objectively disappointing, like a good little consumer. That's fine but don't chastise the rest of us when we want something a little better. And guess what, HasTak aren't going to step up their game unless we tell them "This isn't good enough". Showering them with praise for everything they do isn't a healthy approach.

Nerither is buying IP infringed knock offs. I'd rather have the actual character than something that doesn't come with the symbol or their name.

They don't need to step up their game they're appeasing the majority. Sure they're not going to make every grown man who buys toys happy but they are doing a great job. I'm thankful we still get this stuff because we don't have to. They don't have to keep recreating classic toys. We're are not entitled to anything.

[Evil Eye]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.

I wouldn't call Mixmaster's feeble arm-flaps and Scrapper's empty thighs "only noticeable if you're tearing it apart". They're ugly as hell and reduce the structural integrity of the toy.

Something is better than nothing.

I'd argue a disappointing product is actually worse than no product at all- at least with nothing there's a chance we'll get a good one later on, whereas we're not likely to get a better official Devastator for years now.

Thank god transformers is a huge as it is and we get so much. Could b worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

Yes, yes, we get it, you're grateful for everything HasTak poops out no matter how objectively disappointing, like a good little consumer. That's fine but don't chastise the rest of us when we want something a little better. And guess what, HasTak aren't going to step up their game unless we tell them "This isn't good enough". Showering them with praise for everything they do isn't a healthy approach.

Nerither is buying IP infringed knock offs.

They aren't knockoffs though. Knockoffs steal existing molds and sell them as their own. Most 3rd party figures are entirely original engineering/molds, and thus by definition not knockoffs. As for IP infringement, so is figure customizing and fanart if we're getting technical about it.

I'd rather have the actual character than something that doesn't come with the symbol

Ever heard of Reprolabels?

or their name.

Yes, because "Ironbison" and "Fellbat" were TOTALLY the original character's names.

They don't need to step up their game they're appeasing the majority.

So as long as the ignorant masses are happy everything is fine? What a terrible attitude to have.

Sure they're not going to make every grown man who buys toys happy but they are doing a great job.

Evidently not, or else the 3P market wouldn't exist. And like it or not, those grown men are becoming a bigger and bigger part of HasTak's buyer base. If they don't make them happy they won't be around for much longer.

I'm thankful we still get this stuff because we don't have to. They don't have to keep recreating classic toys. We're are not entitled to anything.

Actually, we are. We're the ones supporting the brand. If it weren't for us, they wouldn't exist. And they aren't entitled to my money or approval either. If they make a crappy product I'll take my money elsewhere. Myself I'm waiting to see what MechIdeas' Liokaiser will be like, or if Maketoys makes a Liokaiser. I own their Defensor and it's a billion times better than its HasTak counterpart.

[Randomhero]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.

I wouldn't call Mixmaster's feeble arm-flaps and Scrapper's empty thighs "only noticeable if you're tearing it apart". They're ugly as hell and reduce the structural integrity of the toy.

Something is better than nothing.

I'd argue a disappointing product is actually worse than no product at all- at least with nothing there's a chance we'll get a good one later on, whereas we're not likely to get a better official Devastator for years now.

Thank god transformers is a huge as it is and we get so much. Could b worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

Yes, yes, we get it, you're grateful for everything HasTak poops out no matter how objectively disappointing, like a good little consumer. That's fine but don't chastise the rest of us when we want something a little better. And guess what, HasTak aren't going to step up their game unless we tell them "This isn't good enough". Showering them with praise for everything they do isn't a healthy approach.

Nerither is buying IP infringed knock offs.

They aren't knockoffs though. Knockoffs steal existing molds and sell them as their own. Most 3rd party figures are entirely original engineering/molds, and thus by definition not knockoffs. As for IP infringement, so is figure customizing and fanart if we're getting technical about it.

I'd rather have the actual character than something that doesn't come with the symbol

Ever heard of Reprolabels?

or their name.

Yes, because "Ironbison" and "Fellbat" were TOTALLY the original character's names.

They don't need to step up their game they're appeasing the majority.

So as long as the ignorant masses are happy everything is fine? What a terrible attitude to have.

Sure they're not going to make every grown man who buys toys happy but they are doing a great job.

Evidently not, or else the 3P market wouldn't exist. And like it or not, those grown men are becoming a bigger and bigger part of HasTak's buyer base. If they don't make them happy they won't be around for much longer.

I'm thankful we still get this stuff because we don't have to. They don't have to keep recreating classic toys. We're are not entitled to anything.

Actually, we are. We're the ones supporting the brand. If it weren't for us, they wouldn't exist. And they aren't entitled to my money or approval either. If they make a crappy product I'll take my money elsewhere. Myself I'm waiting to see what MechIdeas' Liokaiser will be like, or if Maketoys makes a Liokaiser. I own their Defensor and it's a billion times better than its HasTak counterpart.

I'd rather have the name and symbol on the toy than pay money to put it on myself.

It is a knock off because they're knocking off a character and I wish they weren't. I don't buy 3rd parties and my collection is just fine. I don't need to complain about $25 toy and then spend $100 on a chunk of plastic to make myself happy.

And no, you're not entitled to it. Nobody is forcing a grown man to buy toys. Simple as that.

[Evil Eye]

A Takara Liokaiser would be nice, though if I'm honest I'd want a Liokaiser to be an all-original set of molds, with each component being about small Voyager scale. My only concern is that budget constraints would land us with another Devastator, with hollow parts and compromises out the wazoo.

TFC Liokaiser would be the perfect Liokaiser were it not for the hip/knee issues. Hopefully the MechIdeas version will be better.

Hallow parts that are not noticeable unless you're tearing it completely apart. Wouldn't call it a budget constraint when it's a mass retail toy that's aimed for everyone and not just 20-30+ adult collect toys that have expendable income.

I wouldn't call Mixmaster's feeble arm-flaps and Scrapper's empty thighs "only noticeable if you're tearing it apart". They're ugly as hell and reduce the structural integrity of the toy.

Something is better than nothing.

I'd argue a disappointing product is actually worse than no product at all- at least with nothing there's a chance we'll get a good one later on, whereas we're not likely to get a better official Devastator for years now.

Thank god transformers is a huge as it is and we get so much. Could b worse, could be GI JOE that gets less than 10 figures a year. They could solely focus on RID and the movie stuff instead they focus mostly on Generations which is amazing considering CHUG started as filler 10 years ago because they wanted something on the shelves before the movie came out.

It's Liokaizer for pete sake. The average fan doesn't even know who that is. It's pretty awesome they went out of their way to even make a version of him.

Yes, yes, we get it, you're grateful for everything HasTak poops out no matter how objectively disappointing, like a good little consumer. That's fine but don't chastise the rest of us when we want something a little better. And guess what, HasTak aren't going to step up their game unless we tell them "This isn't good enough". Showering them with praise for everything they do isn't a healthy approach.

Nerither is buying IP infringed knock offs.

They aren't knockoffs though. Knockoffs steal existing molds and sell them as their own. Most 3rd party figures are entirely original engineering/molds, and thus by definition not knockoffs. As for IP infringement, so is figure customizing and fanart if we're getting technical about it.

I'd rather have the actual character than something that doesn't come with the symbol

Ever heard of Reprolabels?

or their name.

Yes, because "Ironbison" and "Fellbat" were TOTALLY the original character's names.

They don't need to step up their game they're appeasing the majority.

So as long as the ignorant masses are happy everything is fine? What a terrible attitude to have.

Sure they're not going to make every grown man who buys toys happy but they are doing a great job.

Evidently not, or else the 3P market wouldn't exist. And like it or not, those grown men are becoming a bigger and bigger part of HasTak's buyer base. If they don't make them happy they won't be around for much longer.

I'm thankful we still get this stuff because we don't have to. They don't have to keep recreating classic toys. We're are not entitled to anything.

Actually, we are. We're the ones supporting the brand. If it weren't for us, they wouldn't exist. And they aren't entitled to my money or approval either. If they make a crappy product I'll take my money elsewhere. Myself I'm waiting to see what MechIdeas' Liokaiser will be like, or if Maketoys makes a Liokaiser. I own their Defensor and it's a billion times better than its HasTak counterpart.

I'd rather have the name and symbol on the toy than pay money to put it on myself.

Ah yes, the expense of calling a toy by a different name! How will we ever afford it? OH WAIT.

It is a knock off because they're knocking off a character and I wish they weren't.

That's not how knockoffs work.

I don't buy 3rd parties and my collection is just fine.

I smell sour grapes.

I don't need to complain about $25 toy and then spend $100 on a chunk of plastic to make myself happy.

This is because you have horrendous taste.

And no, you're not entitled to it. Nobody is forcing a grown man to buy toys. Simple as that.

Indeed, nobody is forcing me to buy toys. But if we do not buy their toys, then they will go bankrupt, so if they want us to buy their toys and avoid bankruptcy they need to make sure their product is up to standard.

[Cobotron]

Ahhhh this age old argument.

You've both made good points from either side of the fence, but I feel it's starting to get a tad personal here. So let's just call it, and move along.

Frankly this discussion has nothing to do with the topic at hand, Unite Warriors.

Thanks!

[RAR]

CW / UW is a bit like Transformers Energon in one respect the complaint that there isn't always enough new moulds to represent the Characters.

Oh and it's perfectly possible to enjoy both 3rd party & Official toys you know. I'd certainly prefer not want to "reward" Hasbro by buying some of the more Kiddy stuff they have made - like the Mega-Titan PVCs or that Huge Bumblebee for example.

I can't say I'm especially happy with what passes as a Minicon these days either compared to something like the Armada Destruction Team. In many ways the Titanmasters are more like what a Traditional Minicon was.

But I do appreciate that the 5mm hands things has been around such a long time as that does in some respect add to the flexibility of what you can do with your toys - for example you can use TFC Combiner hands on a Unite Warriors / CW Combiner for example.

I expect we are all done now with Boxed sets for combiners - so I wonder if that means they will be doing Headmasters Boxed sets instead - Possibly some version of the ones Hasbro is supposed to be doing that include the likes of the Autobot Clones ?

I still expect a G2 Defensor or Guard City repaint one day - I'm guess it's being saved for a convention though.

[Emerje]

(Apologies to Cobotron, his post wasn't there when I started writing.)

It is a knock off because they're knocking off a character and I wish they weren't.

That's not how knockoffs work.

That's entirely how knockoffs work. Part of that is infringing on IPs, it isn't just about copying a figure and selling it at a dollar store. It's why Harmony Gold sues anyone (including Hasbro) for making figures that vaguely resemble a Robotech Valkyrie and usually get their way. It's why Warner Brothers has a long history of having custom DC Comic characters removed from eBay. It's why a number of conventions have dropped their artist alleys or tightened rules on banning the sales of fanart.

Unofficially making something that looks like something you don't own the rights to make and then profiting from it is entirely illegal. Mattel can't make a figure of a robot that turns into a red semi truck and get away with it. The only reason why Hasbro and Takara Tomy don't just crush all of the so-called "3rd parties" (I hate that term, they're bootleggers) is because it would cost more time, money, and resources to take them all to court overseas than they're loosing from letting them stay. That's it. If Hasbro wanted to they would be entirely in their right to ask eBay to block their sales, ask online stores to stop carrying them (they've done that in the past), ask news sites to stop reporting on them (they've done that, too), have YouTube take down any reviews for them and basically wipe them off the internet, but they wont because it's expensive and bad business.

Emerje

[ScottyP]

NOOOO!!!! WE NEED A UW LIOKAISER TO PUT HASBRO'S SHIT-TASTIC CARNIVAL OF CRAP TO SHAME!!!

You know, the Hasbro one is one of the nicest CW sets they did. New heads all around, great paint schemes (outside of the torso which is a little weird and Quickswitch-like), and a whole mess of paint on them. What would you expect to be so much better out of a UW release? And if your answer is "new molds", I've got bad news for your expectations

So... Baldigus was the last UW release?

What's that thing at the end?

The Zodiac (from Zone) is the best guess I can find anywhere. By anywhere, I mean the amazing world of Japanese Transformers fans' Twitter accounts.

Hotlinked the series of images in that tweet for the ultra lazy:

[Evil Eye]

(Apologies to Cobotron, his post wasn't there when I started writing.)

It is a knock off because they're knocking off a character and I wish they weren't.

That's not how knockoffs work.

That's entirely how knockoffs work. Part of that is infringing on IPs, it isn't just about copying a figure and selling it at a dollar store. It's why Harmony Gold sues anyone (including Hasbro) for making figures that vaguely resemble a Robotech Valkyrie and usually get their way.

Yeah, and Harmony Gold is absolutely despised by more or less the entire Macross fandom- including the creators- for their ridiculous handling of the license. Like, "the creator of Macross encouraging Western fans to pirate the anime to get around Harmony Gold's bullsh!t" despised.

It's why Warner Brothers has a long history of having custom DC Comic characters removed from eBay. It's why a number of conventions have dropped their artist alleys or tightened rules on banning the sales of fanart.

Yeah, and it's absolutely stupid. Just because companies can do it doesn't mean they should.

Unofficially making something that looks like something you don't own the rights to make and then profiting from it is entirely illegal. Mattel can't make a figure of a robot that turns into a red semi truck and get away with it.

Yet apparently Hasbro can make a figure of one of Don Figouera's designs (the Stealth Bomber Megatron) without crediting him at all and that's just fine.

The only reason why Hasbro and Takara Tomy don't just crush all of the so-called "3rd parties" (I hate that term, they're bootleggers) is because it would cost more time, money, and resources to take them all to court overseas than they're loosing from letting them stay.

That, and they'd lose a tonne of customers. I know if HasTak suddenly cracked down on 3P pieces I'd boycott them entirely. Not that that's ever going to happen- you may be surprised to know that HasTak and certain 3Ps aren't actually nearly as unfriendly as you might think. Reps from both HasTak and 3P companies share ideas at conventions and even collaborate on projects from time to time- IIRC one of MakeToys' engineers has done work for Takara.

That's it. If Hasbro wanted to they would be entirely in their right to ask eBay to block their sales, ask online stores to stop carrying them (they've done that in the past), ask news sites to stop reporting on them (they've done that, too), have YouTube take down any reviews for them and basically wipe them off the internet,

Legally maybe (maybe- at the end of the day most of these companies are based in China and as such are almost completely untouchable) but morally? Going after what are essentially people producing engineered fanart? No, they would not be "entirely in their right". For one, 3P sales barely even dent HasTak's bottom line, so the only reason they'd have for shutting them down would basically be spite. For another, some 3P products actually boost HasTak sales (I know I wouldn't be buying UW Computron were it not for the Perfect Effect feet) so shutting them down would just be stupid. It would also be utter hypocrisy, considering they've endorsed things like Shapeways, which is filled with people making upgrade kits for Hasbro figures. Or are you suggesting that they should be shut down too?

but they wont because it's expensive and bad business.

Emerje

That and it would be a completely dickish and counterproductive move.

Like it or not, the Third Party market is here to stay. At least, if it does go under then official Transformers will probably soon follow.

[Cobotron]

WTF!!!!

GET ON TOPIC OR...

[ScottyP]

Is the heart at the end the Zodiac from Zone? Specifically as depicted in the TV Magazine story pages once corrupted by Violenjiger?

Yes. It's the Zodiac seen within the Earth in the Zone OVA.

Not sure why it's in this comic, though. We really need an English translation.

Aaaand now I see these posts.

I've always hoped the next phase of Generations after TR is something to do with Micromasters, and will use this to wildly speculate as such. Could even tie it into an ecosystem with a theoretical Micronauts line

Probably straight up Prime Wars or Planet Wars or Pretender Wars or Pretenders Return though.

[william-james88]

NOOOO!!!! WE NEED A UW LIOKAISER TO PUT HASBRO'S SHIT-TASTIC CARNIVAL OF CRAP TO SHAME!!!

You know, the Hasbro one is one of the nicest CW sets they did. New heads all around, great paint schemes (outside of the torso which is a little weird and Quickswitch-like), and a whole mess of paint on them. What would you expect to be so much better out of a UW release? And if your answer is "new molds", I've got bad news for your expectations

Thanks Scotty! I feel I am being chastised whenever I say that we really shouldnt put our hopes up for a Takara Liokaiser which has the torso changed to become 2 individual bots which can still acomodate the CW ports for arms and legs. Reading comments of people saying there is a possibility for Takara to do a better one (in the sense I just wrote) make me feel like you felt in the Unicron discussion where no-one was noticing how teal on the legs was borderline neon.