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[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Cyberpath, Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all as being the thing that is considered debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.

He's also referring to your use of the word "created" as a opposed to "rebuilt" or "reconstructed" in regards to Alpha Trion turning Orion Pax into Optimus Prime since the word "created" contains a different connotation from the words "rebuilt" or "reconstructed", as the latter two terms are more accurate descriptions of what Alpha Trion did than the former term. Sto's very particular about semantics.

you know me so well

[Cyberpath]

Cyberpath, Sto is referring to the claim that Orion Pax was rebuilt by Alpha Trion without the Matrix at all as being the thing that is considered debatable. A portion of the fandom suspects that the "something" Alpha Trion said he had that could help Orion when Alpha Trion rebuilt him was the Matrix. Whether Alpha Trion used the Matrix as an element in Prime's reconstruction or if he gave Optimus the Matrix after the reconstruction was finished is the debatable part.

Alpha never said anything about "something", I posed the quote above, he said that he would attempt rebuild him entirely, and so he did. Then he did the same with Ariel. It was very straight forward. The cartoon never established otherwise.

He's also referring to your use of the word "created" as a opposed to "rebuilt" or "reconstructed" in regards to Alpha Trion turning Orion Pax into Optimus Prime since the word "created" contains a different connotation from the words "rebuilt" or "reconstructed", as the latter two terms are more accurate descriptions of what Alpha Trion did than the former term. Sto's very particular about semantics.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Alpha never said anything about "something", I posed the quote above, he said that he would attempt rebuild him entirely, and so he did. Then he did the same with Ariel. It was very straight forward. The cartoon never established otherwise.

right as straight forward as calling himself optims's creator

He's also referring to your use of the word "created" as a opposed to "rebuilt" or "reconstructed" in regards to Alpha Trion turning Orion Pax into Optimus Prime since the word "created" contains a different connotation from the words "rebuilt" or "reconstructed", as the latter two terms are more accurate descriptions of what Alpha Trion did than the former term. Sto's very particular about semantics.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

thats an opinion

ill return monday for more

[Sabrblade]

Alpha never said anything about "something", I posed the quote above, he said that he would attempt rebuild him entirely, and so he did. Then he did the same with Ariel. It was very straight forward. The cartoon never established otherwise.

You are correct that he didn't mention a "something" (thank you for the dialogue transcript, btw), but he did mention having "a way" to rebuild them, which many G1 fans interpreted as involving the Matrix, and that Optimus was the first successful attempt.

I'm not saying that it is true that Alpha Trion used the Matrix to turn Orion into Optimus, rather I am only explaining what Sto originally meant when he said that the idea of the Matrix not turning Orion into Optimus was "debatable", as some fans do think this regardless of whether this idea is correct or not.

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

The difference in meanings matter enough to Sto (he's not gonna relent, so please work with me here). "Created" suggests an original construction from an origin point. "Rebuilt"/"reconstruction" suggest a second or later construction from a previous construction. Orion-to-Optimus by Alpha Trion was the latter.


However, to mesh both views together into a statement of equality, it is fair to say that Alpha Trion "created" Optimus (as you say) by "rebuilding" Orion (as Sto says).

[fenrir72]

Why not email David Wise to get to the buttom of the issue?

[padfoo]

Man, those wheels are so under-scaled, it really ruins the look of the vehicle mode

Wasn't until you mentioned that i looked at the wheels and gosh you are right: They do seem rather small

They sure do, another thing not to like.....

[Burn]

Why not email David Wise to get to the buttom of the issue?

Stop it with your logic and just eat your popcorn!

[fenrir72]

Why not email David Wise to get to the buttom of the issue?

Stop it with your logic and just eat your popcorn!

Praise indeed.

[Hellscream9999]

buy it when it gets a hasbro release

But will hasbro release it? They haven't done bumblebee, wheeljack, or um... just re-issues, and re-re-issues; I would no longer bet on hasbro releasing them

[Autobot032]

I have DX9 Carry as Masterpiece Rodimus Prime, I need this as MP Hot Rod. I'll import, screw a domestic release, I ain't waitin'! I don't care if he has a gaping hole in his chest for a goofy gimmick taken from one scene in movie decades ago, I need it.

It's my Masterpiece Hot Rod and I want it now!

[LOST Cybertronian]

buy it when it gets a hasbro release

But will hasbro release it? They haven't done bumblebee, wheeljack, or um... just re-issues, and re-re-issues; I would no longer bet on hasbro releasing them

I think it's a safe bet for a Hasbro release. Namely there is no licenses to deal with. I think that makes it a no brainer.

[Hellscream9999]

buy it when it gets a hasbro release

But will hasbro release it? They haven't done bumblebee, wheeljack, or um... just re-issues, and re-re-issues; I would no longer bet on hasbro releasing them

I think it's a safe bet for a Hasbro release. Namely there is no licenses to deal with. I think that makes it a no brainer.

But um isn't licensed, so what's taking them so long?

[LOST Cybertronian]

buy it when it gets a hasbro release

But will hasbro release it? They haven't done bumblebee, wheeljack, or um... just re-issues, and re-re-issues; I would no longer bet on hasbro releasing them

I think it's a safe bet for a Hasbro release. Namely there is no licenses to deal with. I think that makes it a no brainer.

But um isn't licensed, so what's taking them so long?

Perhaps they are waiting for next summer because of the 30th anniversary of TF: The Movie. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to me. It would also be a great time for Hot Rod too if they can pull off that quick of turn around.

[Hellscream9999]

buy it when it gets a hasbro release

But will hasbro release it? They haven't done bumblebee, wheeljack, or um... just re-issues, and re-re-issues; I would no longer bet on hasbro releasing them

I think it's a safe bet for a Hasbro release. Namely there is no licenses to deal with. I think that makes it a no brainer.

But um isn't licensed, so what's taking them so long?

Perhaps they are waiting for next summer because of the 30th anniversary of TF: The Movie. Sounds like an excellent opportunity to me. It would also be a great time for Hot Rod too if they can pull off that quick of turn around.

Maybe, I just got the feeling that hasbro didn't really care about releasing them, but I have no idea what the list of mp figures is after 10, but I feel like the only ones they've released are the datsun figures and soundwave...

[LOST Cybertronian]

Maybe, I just got the feeling that hasbro didn't really care about releasing them, but I have no idea what the list of mp figures is after 10, but I feel like the only ones they've released are the datsun figures and soundwave...

• MP-11 Starscream (done)
• MP-12 Sideswipe (teased but hasn't been released and licensed)
• MP-13 Soundwave w/Laserbeak (done)
• MP-14 Red Alert (licensed)
• MP-15 Rumble and Ravage (done with Soundwave)
• MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (done with Soundwave)
• MP-17 Prowl (done)
• MP-18 Bluestreak (done)
• MP-19 Smokescreen (will most likely be done in the future since they have the license)
• MP-20 Wheeljack (licensed)
• MP-21 Bumblebee (licensed)
• MP-22 Ultra Magnus
• MP-23 Exhaust (probably will never be done for obvious reasons and licensed)
• MP-24 Starsaber

[Hellscream9999]

Maybe, I just got the feeling that hasbro didn't really care about releasing them, but I have no idea what the list of mp figures is after 10, but I feel like the only ones they've released are the datsun figures and soundwave...

• MP-11 Starscream (done)
• MP-12 Sideswipe (teased but hasn't been released and licensed)
• MP-13 Soundwave w/Laserbeak (done)
• MP-14 Red Alert (licensed)
• MP-15 Rumble and Ravage (done with Soundwave)
• MP-16 Frenzy and Buzzsaw (done with Soundwave)
• MP-17 Prowl (done)
• MP-18 Bluestreak (done)
• MP-19 Smokescreen (will most likely be done in the future since they have the license)
• MP-20 Wheeljack (licensed)
• MP-21 Bumblebee (licensed)
• MP-22 Ultra Magnus
• MP-23 Exhaust (probably will never be done for obvious reasons and licensed)
• MP-24 Starsaber

Cool, didn't know they padded out the list with the cassetticons, that explains a lot

[LegendaryAntiHero]

Makes sense since the cassettes aren't a repaint of Soundwave

[Hellscream9999]

Makes sense since the cassettes aren't a repaint of Soundwave

Yeah, now that you mention that, they were released later than soundwave, and a few months apart from each other, right? So that's fair; I just remember a slew of dumb car repaints being on the bulk of that list, and didn't know which was which.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Why not email David Wise to get to the buttom of the issue?

as sb pointed out, people couold argue that the answer only applies to a new universe

[Hellscream9999]

*gasp* Our beautiful quote chain disappeared

[Cobotron]

*gasp* Our beautiful quote chain disappeared

It was an amazing work of art that is lost forever.

[Hellscream9999]

*gasp* Our beautiful quote chain disappeared

It was an amazing work of art that is lost forever.

Yeah, but at least, I still have my pink taserbeak

[D-Maximal_Primal]

*gasp* Our beautiful quote chain disappeared

It was an amazing work of art that is lost forever.

Yeah, but at least, I still have my pink taserbeak

Good times buddies, good times.

Cobotron

It has been replaced here for the memories

[Hellscream9999]

*gasp* Our beautiful quote chain disappeared

It was an amazing work of art that is lost forever.

Yeah, but at least, I still have my pink taserbeak

Good times buddies, good times.

Cobotron

It has been replaced here for the memories

[Burn]

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