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by **G.B. Blackrock** » Fri May 13, 2016 10:36 am

RevTibe wrote:It wouldn't be the first time there was a symbol mix-up, but usually it's something less distinct - G1 v. G2 'con instead of 'bot v. 'con.

Oh, I can think of several "'bot v. 'con" mix-ups. The problem is, every one of the ones I can think of could be explained by a previous use of the mold. That wouldn't apply here.

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Fri May 13, 2016 10:40 am

G.B. Blackrock wrote:
RevTibe wrote:It wouldn't be the first time there was a symbol mix-up, but usually it's something less distinct - G1 v. G2 'con instead of 'bot v. 'con.

Oh, I can think of several "'bot v. 'con" mix-ups. The problem is, every one of the ones I can think of could be explained by a previous use of the mold. That wouldn't apply here.

Why does it matter that the Motormaster tooling is used? How is that in any way pertinent to the Con vs. Bot debate?

by **G.B. Blackrock** » Fri May 13, 2016 10:43 am

megatronus wrote:
G.B. Blackrock wrote:
RevTibe wrote:It wouldn't be the first time there was a symbol mix-up, but usually it's something less distinct - G1 v. G2 'con instead of 'bot v. 'con.

Oh, I can think of several "'bot v. 'con" mix-ups. The problem is, every one of the ones I can think of could be explained by a previous use of the mold. That wouldn't apply here.

Why does it matter that the Motormaster tooling is used? How is that in any way pertinent to the Con vs. Bot debate?

It's not too much, since the Decepticon logo is a tampograph (and the Optimus Prime version has no molded logo, either). The point is more that there's no pre-existing Autobot logo that's part of the mold to explain it.

News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Fri May 13, 2016 10:50 am

G.B. Blackrock wrote:
megatronus wrote:
G.B. Blackrock wrote:
RevTibe wrote:It wouldn't be the first time there was a symbol mix-up, but usually it's something less distinct - G1 v. G2 'con instead of 'bot v. 'con.

Oh, I can think of several "'bot v. 'con" mix-ups. The problem is, every one of the ones I can think of could be explained by a previous use of the mold. That wouldn't apply here.

Why does it matter that the Motormaster tooling is used? How is that in any way pertinent to the Con vs. Bot debate?

It's not too much, since the Decepticon logo is a tampograph (and the Optimus Prime version has no molded logo, either). The point is more that there's no pre-existing Autobot logo that's part of the mold to explain it.

I see what you're saying now.

Also important to note is that he uses the Nemesis pre-tooled head. Which is awesome.

It doesn't matter to me so much that he's an Autobot. What I do wonder is if the combiner head will be any different.

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Fri May 13, 2016 11:54 am

megatronus wrote:
Lucky Logician wrote:
Flux Convoy wrote:Toxitron, why is he an Autobot? He's never been an Autobot anywhere else. If he absolutely has to be an Autobot, can the symbols be hidden under his arm flaps or the panel for the robot head? Why paste it in the middle of his chest where it can't be ignored? I liked the first mock up because it didn't show any symbols at all. I don't care at all that the combiner is a mixed faction thing. This bugs the hell out of me though. Ideally he's a con or a Wrecker as a compromise. Worst case scenario, an Autobot. He's the one I'm most excited about and to have such a completely off-character change makes no sense to me.
Umm... think of it as Toxitron being a Bizarro Optimus Prime. You know how Bizarro Superman has the backwards S symbol? Well Toxitron has a backwards Autobot symbol.

(Yeah, I know the Autobot symbol looks the same when reversed. But I don't know what else to suggest.)

The bio says he was captured by Shockwave, subjected to experiments, and locked away... Doesn't mean he couldn't have started out as an Autobot, even if his identity has since morphed and warped into something unrecognizable.

I don't think that's nearly enough to make him become an Autobot. IDW Overlord is a Decepticon despite bucking the entire chain of command. It just seems totally incomprehensible to turn a traditionally Decepticon character into an Autobot. I don't think ANY possible story could make that work for me. Mindless clone, zombie, Bizarro or otherwise. It just seems to be trying, needlessly, to shoehorn an Autobot torso into a ragtag combiner. Just let it be crazy. It doesn't have to unify them other than them being a multi faction robot.

Website · by **RK_Striker_JK_5** » Fri May 13, 2016 1:22 pm

Would a reprolabel help out with Toxitron? Just slap a 'Con symbol over the Autobot symbols?

News Credits: 2 · by **RevTibe** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:22 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Would a reprolabel help out with Toxitron? Just slap a 'Con symbol over the Autobot symbols?

The Autobot symbol has unique mangling/staining/splotching;

I'm not opposed to him being an Auto (even though I was predicting he'd be built from Nemesis Prime/Scourge on account of some Ask Vector Prime fiction), but this would be an obstacle for someone trying to change his faction.

News Credits: 13 · by **grimdragon2001** » Fri May 13, 2016 3:47 pm

RevTibe wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Would a reprolabel help out with Toxitron? Just slap a 'Con symbol over the Autobot symbols?
The Autobot symbol has unique mangling/staining/splotching;

I'm not opposed to him being an Auto (even though I was predicting he'd be built from Nemesis Prime/Scourge on account of some Ask Vector Prime fiction), but this would be an obstacle for someone trying to change his faction.

or you can do an Armada Wheeljack and put a con sigil under the spattered out badge

Website · by **Flux Convoy** » Fri May 13, 2016 4:09 pm

grimdragon2001 wrote:
RevTibe wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Would a reprolabel help out with Toxitron? Just slap a 'Con symbol over the Autobot symbols?
The Autobot symbol has unique mangling/staining/splotching;

I'm not opposed to him being an Auto (even though I was predicting he'd be built from Nemesis Prime/Scourge on account of some Ask Vector Prime fiction), but this would be an obstacle for someone trying to change his faction.

or you can do an Armada Wheeljack and put a con sigil under the spattered out badge

As stated above, it has a pattern. I'd probably not care at all if it could be hidden entirely in bot mode. Better yet, leave it off and offer a few symbol choices as stickers. Since this is the one I am most interested in from my favorite CW mold, it ruffles me most. I mean, he's a con. It's right there on his name plate!

News Credits: 1 · by **Lucky Logician** » Sat May 14, 2016 12:41 am

megatronus wrote:The bio says he was captured by Shockwave, subjected to experiments, and locked away...

Flux Convoy wrote:I mean, he's a con. It's right there on his name plate!

The nameplate reads Decepticon Experiment Toxitron. But he wears a Autobot sigil instead...

The term 'experiment' sounds familiar. I wonder if there have ever been any other 'experiment' transformers in the past. Maybe there could've been a time where a good guy experiment went rogue and wore the bad guy sigil. *cough*Rampage*cough* Could Toxitron be the reverse case where a bad guy experiment goes rogue and wears the good guy sigil? :-?

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat May 14, 2016 6:27 pm

Lucky Logician wrote:
megatronus wrote:The bio says he was captured by Shockwave, subjected to experiments, and locked away...
Flux Convoy wrote:I mean, he's a con. It's right there on his name plate!

The nameplate reads Decepticon Experiment Toxitron. But he wears a Autobot sigil instead...

The term 'experiment' sounds familiar. I wonder if there have ever been any other 'experiment' transformers in the past. Maybe there could've been a time where a good guy experiment went rogue and wore the bad guy sigil. *cough*Rampage*cough* Could Toxitron be the reverse case where a bad guy experiment goes rogue and wears the good guy sigil?

You have to keep in mind that as a scientist, Shockwave does not care who the subject of his experiments is, be it Decepticon or Autobot. Toxitron may have started out as an Autobot in this continuum (or any, Animated never really delved into his history that far), but became a Decepticon Experiment, as in experimented on by Decepticons.

As far as comparisons are concerned, BW Rampage was crazy from the get-go and was only created out of a desire to recreate Starscream's mutant spark. Dubious intentions from the "good guys". Plus, Rampage was neutral, holding no allegiance, until pressured into BW Megatron's service by having half of his spark cut out and put in a cage lined with pure Energon crystals. One squeeze, one jolt of pain, that's all it took to put him in line, so it's a bit of a reluctant service unlike Inferno :lol:

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News Credits: 113 · by **megatronus** » Thu May 19, 2016 11:50 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:Everyone, it works! I just registered and everything! God, I don't have to pay nearly twice the amount from BBTS!

News Credits: 2 · by **Prowl4** » Thu May 19, 2016 4:34 pm

Toxitron I don't know much about but it'd make sense if the mangled Autobot symbol was there to mock the Autobots by toxitron himself. Alternatively perhaps the symbol was mangled by shockwave during his experiment on an Autobot. After all shockwave was responsible for the dinobots in foc and IDW iirc.

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu May 19, 2016 9:38 pm

Prowl4 wrote:Toxitron I don't know much about but it'd make sense if the mangled Autobot symbol was there to mock the Autobots by toxitron himself. Alternatively perhaps the symbol was mangled by shockwave during his experiment on an Autobot. After all shockwave was responsible for the dinobots in foc and IDW iirc.

Think of it like how Bizarro wears a messed up Superman symbol, Toxitron in this case wears a messed up Autobot symbol.

by **thundershot** » Fri May 20, 2016 8:36 am

It's no different than Armada Wheeljack having a scratched out Autobot symbol. Toxitron has a sludged over Autobot symbol but he's a Decepticon.

by **G.B. Blackrock** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:20 am

Well, Twitter would seem to confirm that Toxitron's Autobot logo is here to stay. When I pointed out that the artwork posted this morning conveniently obscures the logo (while dropping my two cents worth that the Autobot logo is wrong), they pretty quickly responded. "Not wrong. Different universe."

To which I responded: "You can explain it any way you want. It's still wrong."

News Credits: 2 · by **RevTibe** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:48 am

G.B. Blackrock wrote:To which I responded: "You can explain it any way you want. It's still wrong."

Eh? He's not the first TF to have his faction differ depending on the universe - Animated Strika comes to mind. That, and it's not like Toxitron has anything really "set" about him, in a multiversal sense - his only halfway significant appearance was as a joke character in a convention-exclusive comic.

by **G.B. Blackrock** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:54 am

RevTibe wrote:
G.B. Blackrock wrote:To which I responded: "You can explain it any way you want. It's still wrong."

Eh? He's not the first TF to have his faction differ depending on the universe - Animated Strika comes to mind. That, and it's not like Toxitron has anything really "set" about him, in a multiversal sense - his only halfway significant appearance was as a joke character in a convention-exclusive comic.

I'm not really interested in arguing about it further. We've already discussed this earlier in the thread.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Fri May 20, 2016 9:59 am

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News Credits: 2 · by **RevTibe** » Fri May 20, 2016 10:03 am

I just thought we were discussing personal preferences for collections/where we'd like to see the fiction go etc. Was just a bit surprised to see a stance of one take on Toxi' being straight-up wrong in a tweet to producers of the char., is all.

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri May 20, 2016 10:14 am

Speaking of Toxitron fiction - https://twitter.com/The_TF_Club/status/ ... 5932712964

Look for our third "Of Masters and Mayhem" prose story later today at http://TransformersClub.com . Check out the poster!

News Credits: 11 · by **Optimutt** » Fri May 20, 2016 3:55 pm

If we join this, does it mean we'll be eligible for the MP Ratbat and Megatron that they're doing with GIJoe?

How can we get those two figures?

by **G.B. Blackrock** » Fri May 20, 2016 4:15 pm

Optimutt wrote:If we join this, does it mean we'll be eligible for the MP Ratbat and Megatron that they're doing with GIJoe?

How can we get those two figures?

Joining the TFSS will have no bearing on your ability to get MP Rabat and Megatron with the Joes. That said, I believe that those will similarly be available to all members (or former members since 2012).

Of course, the question of when those will be made available is still very much an open question. Seems to me they're running out of time.