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Sowndwave76 wrote:I know this is hypothetical talk, but I do hope a CC Prime ends up being part of the SS86 subline.
I’m so much more likely to buy it if it’s decently screen accurate and free of any extra mainline gimmick of that time, as well as the nasty Siege greebling & battle damage paint apps. I’m so glad that’s all being left in the past, & will never be a part of SS86.
This also makes me glad I never opened my NF Prime; he and Soundwave both look great in that packaging.
The only drawback for me with a CC OP will be the fact that I won’t display the trailer; it will most likely stay packed away.

I was going to say I can't imagine dropping $80 for a toy and keeping $50 of it set aside, but my Buzzworthy Bumblebee 4-packs would disagree.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I know this is hypothetical talk, but I do hope a CC Prime ends up being part of the SS86 subline.
I’m so much more likely to buy it if it’s decently screen accurate and free of any extra mainline gimmick of that time, as well as the nasty Siege greebling & battle damage paint apps. I’m so glad that’s all being left in the past, & will never be a part of SS86.
This also makes me glad I never opened my NF Prime; he and Soundwave both look great in that packaging.
The only drawback for me with a CC OP will be the fact that I won’t display the trailer; it will most likely stay packed away.

I was going to say I can't imagine dropping $80 for a toy and keeping $50 of it set aside, but my Buzzworthy Bumblebee 4-packs would disagree.

I hear ya!

And you could probably get back most of that difference by selling off what you don’t want from those 4 pks.
Which reminds me of selling Rodimus’s trailer for $30 after getting him on sale for $65.
At this point I could just pretend that trailer is in a box in my basement.
Meaning I haven’t missed it one bit.
Meanwhile, I have an extremely good voyager-almost-leader-class figure on my shelf that was only $35.

I probably wouldn’t sell CC Prime’s trailer, but who knows…
Don’t you think he the figure) will be a brand new mold?
I’m betting of the $90, the figure alone will be worth $45+ at least.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I know this is hypothetical talk, but I do hope a CC Prime ends up being part of the SS86 subline.
I’m so much more likely to buy it if it’s decently screen accurate and free of any extra mainline gimmick of that time, as well as the nasty Siege greebling & battle damage paint apps. I’m so glad that’s all being left in the past, & will never be a part of SS86.
This also makes me glad I never opened my NF Prime; he and Soundwave both look great in that packaging.
The only drawback for me with a CC OP will be the fact that I won’t display the trailer; it will most likely stay packed away.

I was going to say I can't imagine dropping $80 for a toy and keeping $50 of it set aside, but my Buzzworthy Bumblebee 4-packs would disagree.

I hear ya!

And you could probably get back most of that difference by selling off what you don’t want from those 4 pks.
Which reminds me of selling Rodimus’s trailer for $30 after getting him on sale for $65.
At this point I could just pretend that trailer is in a box in my basement.
Meaning I haven’t missed it one bit.
Meanwhile, I have an extremely good voyager-almost-leader-class figure on my shelf that was only $35.

I probably wouldn’t sell CC Prime’s trailer, but who knows…
Don’t you think he the figure) will be a brand new mold?
I’m betting of the $90, the figure alone will be worth $45+ at least.

I don't know, this is all hypothetical, right? I'm a big fan of the Siege and Earthrise engineering, so I don't think they'd need to reinvent the wheel. There are lots of little things they could clean up for the Earthrise version like the vestigial Siege legs, but I'm not sure how much extra value they could pack into the base figure.

AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't know, this is all hypothetical, right? I'm a big fan of the Siege and Earthrise engineering, so I don't think they'd need to reinvent the wheel. There are lots of little things they could clean up for the Earthrise version like the vestigial Siege legs, but I'm not sure how much extra value they could pack into the base figure.

Oh yeah, definitely hypothetical.
Not to mention the current Prime figures(s) are right in scale with all of the other ER figures.
I also wonder what all they could do with the trailer to make it $50 worth, but keep it in proportion with a current Prime mold. By the time this actually happens, an energon axe and a bunch of blast effects will seem like really cheap, lame filler. I get a matrix is a staple, but should that even be counted as an extra anymore??

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And if the base figure is just a retool, I’d expect a whole lot from that trailer. And yet, past the classic G1 interior stuff, what else is there?

Until we get a look at such a Commander class SS86 Optimus, I'm happy with my Tenseg Base Optimus Prime. I gave him the armor and Delta Magnus head of one of my two SG Ultra Magnus toys, to give him the Super Mode that G1 Optimus never had and should have had back in 1986, but was robbed of by Hasbro's choosing to kill off Optimus an make the Powered Convoy toy a separate character.

Sabrblade wrote:Until we get a look at such a Commander class SS86 Optimus, I'm happy with my Tenseg Base Optimus Prime. I gave him the armor and Delta Magnus head of one of my two SG Ultra Magnus toys, to give him the Super Mode that G1 Optimus never had and should have had back in 1986, but was robbed of by Hasbro's choosing to kill off Optimus an make the Powered Convoy toy a separate character.

Weird, I did the exact same thing when the two came in, it's still next to me that way. I mainly did it out of curiosity, I don't intend to keep it that way since I really like the way Tenseg Prime's colors turned out and I don't like inner Delta/SG UM as much as I like the eHobby Magna Convoy I already have.

Emerje

Amazon just notified me that Needlenose will be delivered in a few days. I wonder if the other figures in the wave will be moved up. My Stunticons await Breakdown.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Amazon just notified me that Needlenose will be delivered in a few days. I wonder if the other figures in the wave will be moved up. My Stunticons await Breakdown.

As someone with zero standing preorders, I just checked the availability on the listings of that next wave and was told the following:
-Hot Shot is allegedly in stock right now
-Needlenose, Leo Prime, and the 3 Cores are all shipping later in the month
-Scraphook and Tarn still say March 1st thus far
-Can't find the listing for Breakdown

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Commander G1 Prime will be a thing, we just don't know when exactly. He's one of the toys we know Hasbro has designed (just like we knew Takara had an mp Trailbreaker in the works but that took like over 5 years to materialize).

Likely in the SS86 line at some point.

Based on what? It's just as likely if not moreso he'll be in the 2024 mainline instead.

The main line Commanders should really be left to large or gimmicky characters that can benefit from the increased price point, SS Commanders should be for characters that need the price point to obtain proper screen accuracy in both modes. We've got our main line Optimus Prime several times over, time for our screen accurate one with fully loaded trailer and I'd rather he wasn't taking up space that could go to a new Fire Convoy, Energon Prime, Tidal Wave and so on. They'll hopefully make the SS Commander interchangeable between SS proper and SS86 and not just SS86 because I'd like to see Scorn as a Commander, he's bigger than Grimlock (who's already pushed the limits of the price point) in the movie and would really benefit from the class (Slug and Strafe can be Leaders).

I'm fully expecting 2024 is gonna be SS86 Commander Optimus (since that's where all the WFC-G1 redos are going these days and it keeps them from having to sell a Legacy Commander Optimus for 2 years in a row) who possibly shares parts/engineering with Magnus if Magnus has the cab bot, and Legacy Commander Tidal Wave as the combiner partner and companion piece for Leader Armada Megatron (who I imagine would get repacked around that time) and the antithesis of Armada Prime, as despite my personal want of Titan Tidal Wave, I think the current design team would want to work in that combination for the play value and the cross-sell with Megs.

Nemesis Primal wrote:As someone with zero standing preorders, I just checked the availability on the listings of that next wave and was told the following:
-Hot Shot is allegedly in stock right now
-Needlenose, Leo Prime, and the 3 Cores are all shipping later in the month
-Scraphook and Tarn still say March 1st thus far
-Can't find the listing for Breakdown

As someone with all of them on order (except core Thundercracker), I can confirm Slug arrived Tuesday and Sludge, Hot Shot, Needlenose and Leo Prime all say arriving Wednesday for me. All the others still say March 1st, but those are very likely to be changing soon as well.

^ Yep, got my Core Slag yesterday. This is the 1st Core class toy I've purchased. Not bad, but definitely could have used some more articulation in the limbs, but perhaps that would have compromised the stability of the combined mode? Anyway... not bad for a budget figure. Sludge is scheduled to arrive for me next Wednesday (1/11) as well, though it actually hasn't shipped yet.

Also, I was kind of hoping for Hasbro to send out a "Back in stock" notice yesterday, they were doing them each Friday for a while, but haven't done so in about a month, maybe they are taking inventory for the end/beginning of the new year? I honestly dont think Minerva ever even appeared anywhere near me. I've checked at least a dozen Walgreens stores, about half of them had Red Alert, (So I've probably seen at least 30 Red Alerts Recently), and the other half had nothing.

I too saw a bunch of the Amazon listings move up. I have a $25 amazon card from christmas, debating using to order one or 2 of them now.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I’m so much more likely to buy it if it’s decently screen accurate and free of...the nasty Siege greebling & battle damage paint apps. I’m so glad that’s all being left in the past...

For me, on the other hand, reducing the level of surface detailing and getting rid of the battle-damage ultimately led to me stopping buying mainline figures. It just hasn't been the same since Siege, in terms of visual interest or quality (with a couple of exceptions, and apart from the Beast Wars cast).

I want my plastic robot toys as far away as possible from the simplistic designs of the '84 cartoon, please. I'm not eleven any more, and that series' designs were what - three years out of thirty-eight? It baffles me how dominant they still are. But I guess that's why restaurants have menus!

o.supreme wrote:^ Yep, got my Core Slag yesterday. This is the 1st Core class toy I've purchased. Not bad, but definitely could have used some more articulation in the limbs, but perhaps that would have compromised the stability of the combined mode? Anyway... not bad for a budget figure. Sludge is scheduled to arrive for me next Wednesday (1/11) as well, though it actually hasn't shipped yet.

Also, I was kind of hoping for Hasbro to send out a "Back in stock" notice yesterday, they were doing them each Friday for a while, but haven't done so in about a month, maybe they are taking inventory for the end/beginning of the new year? I honestly dont think Minerva ever even appeared anywhere near me. I've checked at least a dozen Walgreens stores, about half of them had Red Alert, (So I've probably seen at least 30 Red Alerts Recently), and the other half had nothing.

Keep checking on Minerva, I was able to luck into finding one last week at a store I didn't expect to have anything. And it was on sale as well, so I paid just under $20 with tax. The store I found them in had a solid case as well as a whole row of Red Alerts, I think it will hit relative sturation fairly soon. If not, hit me up on a message and I can see if I can snag one for you and ship it.

Sludge, Leo Prime and Hot Shot all got bumped up again and should be here today!

Emerje wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Commander G1 Prime will be a thing, we just don't know when exactly. He's one of the toys we know Hasbro has designed (just like we knew Takara had an mp Trailbreaker in the works but that took like over 5 years to materialize).

Likely in the SS86 line at some point.

Based on what? It's just as likely if not moreso he'll be in the 2024 mainline instead.

The main line Commanders should really be left to large or gimmicky characters that can benefit from the increased price point, SS Commanders should be for characters that need the price point to obtain proper screen accuracy in both modes.

And Optimus & Magnus with full-featured versions of their trailers aren't large/gimmicky?

Emerje wrote:We've got our main line Optimus Prime several times over, time for our screen accurate one with fully loaded trailer and I'd rather he wasn't taking up space that could go to a new Fire Convoy, Energon Prime, Tidal Wave and so on.

If we get a new RiD Optimus (not that we really need one) it will most likely be Leader-class, in order to scale with Diet Scourge.
I do admit that I wouldn't want a Commander-class G1 Optimus to displace other possibilities for the mainline (like, say, an improved Overlord), but that preference doesn't mean Hasbro won't put him in the mainline anyway.

Emerje wrote:They'll hopefully make the SS Commander interchangeable between SS proper and SS86 and not just SS86 because I'd like to see Scorn as a Commander, he's bigger than Grimlock (who's already pushed the limits of the price point) in the movie and would really benefit from the class (Slug and Strafe can be Leaders).

That, I would like to see.

Thanks once again to the Instagram account of vicegripx we have more in hand images of two new bikeformers for the Legacy Evolution line!

First up, we have a slew of pictures of the upcoming Deluxe currently being referred to as "Junkion 2". We see a bunch of photos showing it off in bike mode and robot mode, giving us a good look at it's size, compared to the soon to be released Scraphook. There's even a couple of fun shots showing off the interchangeability EvoFusion gimmick associated with these new Junkion molds.















Next up is Transformers Animated Prowl, the Legacy subline's first foray into the Animated Universe. While there were some complaints about the highly stylized Prime Universe characters (Arcee, Bulkhead, Knock Out) getting a heavy makeover that took away a lot of the uniqueness of the Prime designs, it looks like a lot more of the Animated style has made it into Prowl's design. He shows off some very nice poseability as well.






















What do you all think of these new figures? Tings have been fairly quiet on the official reveal front since the Deathsaurus final tally livestream, but here's to hoping we get some confirmation from Hasbro soon (and maybe a real name for the Junkion bike). Let us know what you think in the forums and stay tuned to Seibertron for the latest news, rumors and reveals!

Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

Both of these will be passes for me. I never had any care for junkions, and this Prowl is disappointing to me. The robot mode is passable until I get to the face. The bike mode is a total swing and miss. I know they're trying to G1-ify the character, but it just falls flat to me. Having owned the original Samurai Prowl, this is unnecessary. But then again, so were Arcee and Bulkhead.

While I have often asked for G1-ification of characters, it was always to incorporate non G1 characters to the G1 aesthetic (RTS Lugnut is a great example). The G1 version of animated Prowl is G1 Prowl, so I have no need for this new animated Prowl they are giving us.

I like that Junkion bike though

I haven't seen a mainline Junkion I don't love yet!

Legacy Animated Prowl is NOT a success to me. I get the G1-ified intent of the line -- Bulkhead & Knockout are good attempt in my book (though that doesn't mean Hasbro don't owe us fans a screen-accurate Deluxe Knockout figure!), Legacy Prime Arcee not so much (her redecos are great though) -- but this Legacy Animated Prowl's headsculpt and body proportion doesn't FEEL G1-ified enough to me, it doesn't "fit in" to my Generations G1 shelf any better than the TFA original.

I also don't need a Datsun Prowl & a bike Prowl on the same shelf. But it's hard for me to resist a motorcycle mold though. So if Hasbro come up a redeco, I'm in.

Oof, Prowl is stout. I'm still excited for him, but those thighs really could have done with being skinnier to make them look longer, or flat out being longer to look better with the shin length. Junkion 2 looks good, but I thought the point was the limbs were interchangable, and thus would be the same length? Not a dealbreaker, but odd

Prowl is still a pass for me, there looks something off about the 'wings' on his back and as others have said, he looks more stout.

Sabrblade wrote:Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

That was my initial reaction to the thighs as well, but the more I thought about it and looked back at shots from Animated, the more I realized that the chunky thighs flaring out actually kinda mimics the baggy tucked-in bike pants on his holographic driver/human avatar, and now I'm cool with it. I'm also waiting to fully judge the bike mode until we've seen it transformed correctly for certain, I find that hole in the side-view too suspect to believe that it's actually intended and the front view of the bike definitely looks to me like parts aren't aligned right, everything above the wheel/leg is angled wrong.

That's exactly how I see Prowl's legs as well. The original bot design had it as well, the way they flair out to the sides like baggy pants on skinny legs. I think he looks fine.

Emerje

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Oof, those are some wide thighs on the meant-to-be lean ninja Prowl. Looks like they also kinda add to the chunk of the bike mode.

That was my initial reaction to the thighs as well, but the more I thought about it and looked back at shots from Animated, the more I realized that the chunky thighs flaring out actually kinda mimics the baggy tucked-in bike pants on his holographic driver/human avatar, and now I'm cool with it.

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I'm also waiting to fully judge the bike mode until we've seen it transformed correctly for certain, I find that hole in the side-view too suspect to believe that it's actually intended and the front view of the bike definitely looks to me like parts aren't aligned right, everything above the wheel/leg is angled wrong.

Hmmm, yeah, it does look like a possibly intentional homage. That has a sense of fun to it, appropriate for Animated.

BUT, that ironically makes me want this even less now. Because mashing up Animated Prowl, G1 Prowl, and Animated Prowl's hologram driver/mustache man homage makes this 4 different things smished together that could instead get 4 different and deserved updates (not that we need another G1 Prowl toy immediately, unless it's SS'86 Shuttle-Death Prowl), so this is an even greater compromise, accurate to even fewer of its elements. That bugs the heck out of me, so as much as I've wanted official Animated update figures ever since the line ended, NO. If I encounter this case in store, any Junkion I could army build with would be an infinitely better use of the money that could theoretically go to Prowl. LOVE the long overdue mix'n'match gimmick.

But Legacy Prowl does look cheerful enough that I can practically hear him calling out to 3rd Party toymakers, telling them to start cranking out new, show-accurate toys of Animated characters, since Hasbro apparently can't within the parameters of the unified Legacy line. Guessing APC is most likely to respond, as they started doing show-accurate Prime characters long before Legacy Bulkhead, Arcee, and Knock-Out asked them to.

Of course, every official Airachnid toy has been begging for Night Countess since they hit the shelves.

I'm not bashing Hasbro by saying some of their toys are asking for it, since the whole point of the 3rd party market is to fill every nook and cranny that official product can't.

Both bikes looks perfect for me. I'll be getting both for sure.