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william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Can this also fit smaller cars inside?

Nope but it does interact with the minicons.

"Interact" in this case meaning "sit them down on his knees". No unlocked features or anything.

But, but... it's easier for kids to use it as a door-stop that way

Naysayers gonna naysay.

I'll be looking out for this thing. It's glorious!

Funny how the first official images of it had "1-step" on the package and now it says "3-step". Probably a 2-step and they just rounded up for no reason

ScottyP wrote:Funny how the first official images of it had "1-step" on the package and now it says "3-step". Probably a 2-step and they just rounded up for no reason

He shares engineering (he's not a retool!) with the regular 3-Step Optimus Prime, but even he's bending the definition. All you do is swing the chest back and around to the feet. Nothing else!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Funny how the first official images of it had "1-step" on the package and now it says "3-step". Probably a 2-step and they just rounded up for no reason

He shares engineering (he's not a retool!) with the regular 3-Step Optimus Prime, but even he's bending the definition. All you do is swing the chest back and around to the feet. Nothing else!

You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

william-james88 wrote:You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

When literally every part is sculpted differently in some way, you're not in re-tool territory anymore. Shared transformation concept, but no enlarged "shared" parts from what I can tell.

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

When literally every part is sculpted differently in some way, you're not in re-tool territory anymore. Shared transformation concept, but no enlarged "shared" parts from what I can tell.

So its the equivalent of Combiner Wars streetwise if he was upscaled to a voyager and then compared with Dead End?

william-james88 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

When literally every part is sculpted differently in some way, you're not in re-tool territory anymore. Shared transformation concept, but no enlarged "shared" parts from what I can tell.

So its the equivalent of Combiner Wars streetwise if he was upscaled to a voyager and then compared with Dead End?

Think of it more like G2 Smokescreen/BWII Starscream/RID Smokejumper/RM Smokesniper, Energon Starscream, and Generations FOC Starscream. All three molds were engineered to transform the same way, but are each their own individual mold rather than the same mold.

william-james88 wrote:

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

When literally every part is sculpted differently in some way, you're not in re-tool territory anymore. Shared transformation concept, but no enlarged "shared" parts from what I can tell.

So its the equivalent of Combiner Wars streetwise if he was upscaled to a voyager and then compared with Dead End?

This is Beast Hunters "Upscales" all over again. Basically they share transformation and detailing, but the "upscale" disqualifies it from the main definition of "retool". We have:

- Retools: some modified parts
- Reshells: changes the outward appearance while keeping transformation and some minor parts intact
- Down-/Upscale: changes the size of the basic design, but not the toy.

The last one involves changing designs on paper, no actual existing parts are modified.

They convert from one mode to at least one other mode. on occasion they transform exactly the same and other times they look the same but are different sizes. i'm not too technical here, so let's just say SCRAP THIS and think about how we can create new designs for the characters so we don't have to worry about "similar engineering"

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
This is Beast Hunters "Upscales" all over again. Basically they share transformation and detailing, but the "upscale" disqualifies it from the main definition of "retool". We have:

- Retools: some modified parts
- Reshells: changes the outward appearance while keeping transformation and some minor parts intact
- Down-/Upscale: changes the size of the basic design, but not the toy.

The last one involves changing designs on paper, no actual existing parts are modified.

Yes, I definitely think of this more like the upscales. The other examples listed are more coincidences from separate start up points. This was planned at the same time for the same line. There is definite cost cutting involved unlike the G2 smokescreen and Energon Starscream.

Here is another video review coming our way from chuckdawg1999. It is the first review we were made aware of for Deployers Fractor and Airazor.

Here is what Chuck had to say about the figure:

Fracture is a nice shade of Decepticon purple, and that's really the only nice thing I can say about this toy. Keeping in mind that it's intended for children I'm concerned about how long it would take the average child to break a figure made from such flimsy plastic, with a play feature that has a tendency to jam. Airazor looks good but is a static brick making its clear parts somewhat useless. Collectors move along, nothing to see here.

Enjoy!

God bless you Chuck for buying this crap so nobody else has to. I am shocked this was actually produced.

How come one step Fracture is his earth motorcycle mode.....but yet his Minicon Deployer is his Cybertronian form?

Stuartmaximus wrote:How come one step Fracture is his earth motorcycle mode.....but yet his Minicon Deployer is his Cybertronian form?

Variety?

Sabrblade wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:How come one step Fracture is his earth motorcycle mode.....but yet his Minicon Deployer is his Cybertronian form?

Variety?

Same goes for Drift.

I saw the minicons for the first time today and they look great, if like bricks. I want some but I don't like the 7.99CAD price tag. Maybe on discount.

ScottyP wrote:

william-james88 wrote:You've got to explain this to me, how is he not a retooled upscale? Was he really a new mold from scratch? What difference makes this more individual?

When literally every part is sculpted differently in some way, you're not in re-tool territory anymore. Shared transformation concept, but no enlarged "shared" parts from what I can tell.

They're Buck brothers.

Ravage XK wrote:God bless you Chuck for buying this crap so nobody else has to. I am shocked this was actually produced.

I can tell you that Drift is markedly better, but that's not saying much.

Check out what Downshift found at Toysrus: the exclusive Clash of the Transformers Warrior Class figures:



I might get that optimus if it goes on sale. That sideswipe looks horrid though.

Man, they look nothing like they did in the show. Sideswipe's close, but not enough.

And where's Strongarm? She was involved in this too!

Sabrblade wrote:Man, they look nothing like they did in the show. Sideswipe's close, but not enough.

And where's Strongarm? She was involved in this too!

For me Sideswipe looks the best, then I remember how bad that mold is. I like how Prime looks but not enough to justify a 3rd version of that mold.

Is there not going to be a Strongarm upgrade?

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Is there not going to be a Strongarm upgrade?

There wont be. They already listed all the updates we will be getting as part of the clash of the TF line: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/megatronus-alt-mode-revealed-and-more-possible-robots-in-disguise-product-releases/32801/

william-james88 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Is there not going to be a Strongarm upgrade?

There wont be. They already listed all the updates we will be getting as part of the clash of the TF line: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/megatronus-alt-mode-revealed-and-more-possible-robots-in-disguise-product-releases/32801/

Oh slag, I just realized that the app game pic of Warrior Megatronus has his goofy-looking battle mask over his face. They better not do that for the toy itself.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

MartianSpyGirl1996 wrote:Is there not going to be a Strongarm upgrade?

There wont be. They already listed all the updates we will be getting as part of the clash of the TF line: http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/megatronus-alt-mode-revealed-and-more-possible-robots-in-disguise-product-releases/32801/

Oh slag, I just realized that the app game pic of Warrior Megatronus has his goofy-looking battle mask over his face. They better not do that for the toy itself.

Hope for the best and expect the worst.