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[First-Aid]

They need to do a Unicron
IN SCALE

unti.jpg

Nah, still too small.

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Getting warmer...

Earth, Moon and Ceres

There it is! That blue one's perfect!

I wonder how much shipping is going to cost on that.

Shelf space may be an issue....

[Cyber Bishop]

Actually PvP wasn't the first to review him. Someone else had a video up a week or so ago.

Yeah I don't know why this article was newsworthy and the other one wasn't.

Yup It was posted already

Monday, February 6th 2023 2:22pm CST
Category: Toy News
Posted by: william-james88

[DeathReviews]

They need to do a Unicron
IN SCALE

unti.jpg

Nah, still too small.

fr9dzjsqvmj91.jpg

Getting warmer...

Earth, Moon and Ceres

There it is! That blue one's perfect!

I wonder how much shipping is going to cost on that.

Shelf space may be an issue....

Unicron will never be in scale because he's a planet. Not an asteroid, or a moon, or the Death Star - he's a bleeping planet. Planets come in many sizes, from planetoids like Pluto, to gas giants like Jupiter. They never really said how big Unicron was in comparison to Earth. But if Cybertron was in any way comparable, then the cartoon played a lot of games with how he was depicted in scale, even compared to other Transformers.

Even using the tiny mini-figures that were included with the Behold Galvatron Selects set, for Unicron to be truly in planetary scale, the toy would need to be at least as large as the entire continental United States.

The 86 movies where Megatron met Unicron were terribly drawn in terms of scale, if Unicron was actually planet sized. His pincer alone should have filled the whole screen and stretched beyond Megatron's field of vision, no matter which direction he was looking. And Unicron shouldn't have even been able to see Galvatron, never mind picking him up with his fingers and dropping him in his mouth. Galvatron would have been microscopic by comparison. The movie scale in those scenes had Unicron sized only about as big as a large building, or a city block, tops.

The only scene where he seemed really planet-sized was the opening, when he ate Lithone. Granted, this is just nitpicking. The artists who drew the movie did what they did, and we are left to bicker endlessly over the results .

[SpaceEagle]

That's what trying to a be 'toon-accurate fan does to ya!
No hate on them in the slightest, I just understand the pain of trying to keep things accurate to a cartoon that was pretty wildly inconsistent...
But maybe one day a third party company truly will make a properly scaled Unicron for people to gawk at.

[-Kanrabat-]

They need to do a Unicron
IN SCALE

unti.jpg

Nah, still too small.

fr9dzjsqvmj91.jpg

Getting warmer...

Earth, Moon and Ceres

There it is! That blue one's perfect!

I wonder how much shipping is going to cost on that.

Shelf space may be an issue....

Unicron will never be in scale because he's a planet. Not an asteroid, or a moon, or the Death Star - he's a bleeping planet. Planets come in many sizes, from planetoids like Pluto, to gas giants like Jupiter. They never really said how big Unicron was in comparison to Earth. But if Cybertron was in any way comparable, then the cartoon played a lot of games with how he was depicted in scale, even compared to other Transformers.

Even using the tiny mini-figures that were included with the Behold Galvatron Selects set, for Unicron to be truly in planetary scale, the toy would need to be at least as large as the entire continental United States.

The 86 movies where Megatron met Unicron were terribly drawn in terms of scale, if Unicron was actually planet sized. His pincer alone should have filled the whole screen and stretched beyond Megatron's field of vision, no matter which direction he was looking. And Unicron shouldn't have even been able to see Galvatron, never mind picking him up with his fingers and dropping him in his mouth. Galvatron would have been microscopic by comparison. The movie scale in those scenes had Unicron sized only about as big as a large building, or a city block, tops.

The only scene where he seemed really planet-sized was the opening, when he ate Lithone. Granted, this is just nitpicking. The artists who drew the movie did what they did, and we are left to bicker endlessly over the results .

Ultra-mega quoting to say that I like Prime's version of Unicron, who IS the Earth itself. He was just asleep for billions of years as dust and debris accumulated on him, creating Earth.

[First-Aid]

planetoids like Pluto

Hey! Dem's fightin words! Pluto is a frickin PLANET, period! #sizeisnteverything

[william-james88]

Transformers fans cant have an accurate transforming alt mode of the Original Megatron.

Did we already forget MP Megs exist or-

Ever tried importing either version?

I imported both, along with G1 Megatron, piece of cake

[-Kanrabat-]

Transformers fans cant have an accurate transforming alt mode of the Original Megatron.

Did we already forget MP Megs exist or-

Ever tried importing either version?

I imported both, along with G1 Megatron, piece of cake

Yup, Canadian customs really don't care.

But I heard it's another story for Australia.

[Rodimus Prime]

Shockwave being a Voyager shocks me, I just don't know how they pull that off if it's the Siege leader figure. So it's most like some other garbage version from a lackluster source.

They could just sell the base figure without the armor pieces

But that would require the severe alteration of the mold in order to get an alt mode. Siege Shockwave requires the extra pieces to complete his alt mode, even if it is a really pointless and dumb design that we never actually saw in the show.

No he doesn't. The base figure just turns into his normal gun mode without the extra pieces

I was referring to an official alt mode, not some half-assed fan mode.

As for Gun Megatron, if US gun laws (or toy laws?) are the problem, would it be possible for Takara to make a gun Megatron only available in foreign markets? It could be bought on the 2ndary market even if it cost an arm and a leg.

[Sabrblade]

Shockwave being a Voyager shocks me, I just don't know how they pull that off if it's the Siege leader figure. So it's most like some other garbage version from a lackluster source.

They could just sell the base figure without the armor pieces

But that would require the severe alteration of the mold in order to get an alt mode. Siege Shockwave requires the extra pieces to complete his alt mode, even if it is a really pointless and dumb design that we never actually saw in the show.

No he doesn't. The base figure just turns into his normal gun mode without the extra pieces

I was referring to an official alt mode, not some half-assed fan mode.

As for Gun Megatron, if US gun laws (or toy laws?) are the problem, would it be possible for Takara to make a gun Megatron only available in foreign markets? It could be bought on the 2ndary market even if it cost an arm and a leg.

They did. It was every version of Masterpiece Megatron.

[-Kanrabat-]

Shockwave being a Voyager shocks me, I just don't know how they pull that off if it's the Siege leader figure. So it's most like some other garbage version from a lackluster source.

They could just sell the base figure without the armor pieces

But that would require the severe alteration of the mold in order to get an alt mode. Siege Shockwave requires the extra pieces to complete his alt mode, even if it is a really pointless and dumb design that we never actually saw in the show.

No he doesn't. The base figure just turns into his normal gun mode without the extra pieces

I was referring to an official alt mode, not some half-assed fan mode.

Just pointing out that the "Submarine" mode is official.

https://instructions.hasbro.com/en-us/i ... ave-Figure

And just in case:

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Picture of Freezer’s box art! He’s real creepy, I like him!

[-Kanrabat-]

Picture of Freezer’s box art! He’s real creepy, I like him!

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He'll be Scourge's perfect partner.

[Rodimus Prime]

Just pointing out that the "Submarine" mode is official

But it still requires the extra pieces, does it not? The official instructions involve 28 steps, starting with Shockwave in robot mode with his extra pieces attached, and ending with him in said 'submarine' mode, all pieces attached. That's the only set of instructions that come with the figure.

If we stop at step 20, we get the "submarine" which is a sneaky way of including a nod to the original figure's gun mode, but it's still not the finished alt mode, thus is not official. Besides, using said inverted "submarine" mode, the handle for the "gun" mode is way too small. I know that logic also eliminates his robot mode without the extra pieces, but since we did see that in the Netflix show, it is official.

Sabrblade's explanation of this figure being a remnant of the PoTP line does make a lot of sense and gives good reason for why Shockwave got this treatment.

[william-james88]

We have some news regarding the new Rise of the Beasts core class figures coming out in the Studio Series line. Below you will find a video review of Arcee. Also, both her and Freezer are out in Hong Kong, which gives us a look at Freezer's packaging. On it we can see its CG model. We also see that he has the Museum as a backdrop giving us a clue as to when in the film we will see this character. That image was posted on Twitter but we also have more in hand images from Pixelmaster.

[-Kanrabat-]

Just pointing out that the "Submarine" mode is official

But it still requires the extra pieces, does it not? The official instructions involve 28 steps, starting with Shockwave in robot mode with his extra pieces attached, and ending with him in said 'submarine' mode, all pieces attached. That's the only set of instructions that come with the figure.

If we stop at step 20, we get the "submarine" which is a sneaky way of including a nod to the original figure's gun mode, but it's still not the finished alt mode, thus is not official. Besides, using said inverted "submarine" mode, the handle for the "gun" mode is way too small. I know that logic also eliminates his robot mode without the extra pieces, but since we did see that in the Netflix show, it is official.

Sabrblade's explanation of this figure being a remnant of the PoTP line does make a lot of sense and gives good reason for why Shockwave got this treatment.

But you DO have to admit that this "complete" step 20 was clearly intended and was designed specifically this way. You can't call that an "half-assed fan mode." You could say the same about MP Starscream 3.0 and MP Skyfire Gerwalk modes.

It's like Siege/Kingdom Ultra Magnus. The truck can be on its own without the parts, even if it looks weird with those arms hanging out.

[SpaceEagle]

Considering how PotP and Siege handled Leaders, to say Shockwave's independent "submarine" mode is incomplete feels inaccurate tee-bee-aytch. The only one that seems "incomplete" without the armour parts would be Ultra Magnus since we're used to the big armoured up form being the main guy. (I guess the same could apply to the Cybertron OP that was retooled from Magnus.)

[1984forever]

I’m happy that we’ve got an SS86 Sunstreaker incoming, but more corrections are needed. Netflix Soundwave needs an 86 release with less greebled forearms and the gray parts replaced with white.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Well, I'm glad to see Mohawk but man, that's an incredibly depressing roster.

I was holding onto hope that 2024 would be better than 2023 for Bayverse stuff since we only have a single core repaint in the mainline for the entireity of this year, and hopefully we'll see more Bayverse at the end of 2024, but that lineup is super disappointing to see.

Like, I could tolerate 86 when we were still getting a handul of Bay figures a year (like 2022) but now between 86 and the WFC games for some reason, we're down to getting a single core figure a year when we still have a big part of the Bay roster to get through.

It's difficult to say because it didn't pan out when I said it recently for 2023, but man, I have to hope there's more Bay stuff at the end of 2024.

Everything you said.

I really hate the direction of Studio Series right now.

Hell yeah Mohawk and LEADER TLK Megatron!
Let's hope they will not mess this Megs up. Forget the "fat" AoE leader. Take cues from the stellar voyager and iron out the kinks.

I hate to rain on the parade because I'd like it for it to be TLK as well, but consensus from those who found the listings is that it's 86 despite being labeled as being from Bumblebee.

The disappointment levels i feel are off the charts. Why do we need a G1 Megatron in SS.

[Rodimus Prime]

Just pointing out that the "Submarine" mode is official

But it still requires the extra pieces, does it not? The official instructions involve 28 steps, starting with Shockwave in robot mode with his extra pieces attached, and ending with him in said 'submarine' mode, all pieces attached. That's the only set of instructions that come with the figure.

If we stop at step 20, we get the "submarine" which is a sneaky way of including a nod to the original figure's gun mode, but it's still not the finished alt mode, thus is not official. Besides, using said inverted "submarine" mode, the handle for the "gun" mode is way too small. I know that logic also eliminates his robot mode without the extra pieces, but since we did see that in the Netflix show, it is official.

Sabrblade's explanation of this figure being a remnant of the PoTP line does make a lot of sense and gives good reason for why Shockwave got this treatment.

But you DO have to admit that this "complete" step 20 was clearly intended and was designed specifically this way. You can't call that an "half-assed fan mode." You could say the same about MP Starscream 3.0 and MP Skyfire Gerwalk modes.

Yeah, definitely more than a half-assed fan mode, sure. I'll even say that it's splitting hairs, but if the submarine mode was intended official, they would have stopped with the instructions there, and gave a separate set for the extra kibble.

[-Kanrabat-]

Just pointing out that the "Submarine" mode is official

But it still requires the extra pieces, does it not? The official instructions involve 28 steps, starting with Shockwave in robot mode with his extra pieces attached, and ending with him in said 'submarine' mode, all pieces attached. That's the only set of instructions that come with the figure.

If we stop at step 20, we get the "submarine" which is a sneaky way of including a nod to the original figure's gun mode, but it's still not the finished alt mode, thus is not official. Besides, using said inverted "submarine" mode, the handle for the "gun" mode is way too small. I know that logic also eliminates his robot mode without the extra pieces, but since we did see that in the Netflix show, it is official.

Sabrblade's explanation of this figure being a remnant of the PoTP line does make a lot of sense and gives good reason for why Shockwave got this treatment.

But you DO have to admit that this "complete" step 20 was clearly intended and was designed specifically this way. You can't call that an "half-assed fan mode." You could say the same about MP Starscream 3.0 and MP Skyfire Gerwalk modes.

Yeah, definitely more than a half-assed fan mode, sure. I'll even say that it's splitting hairs, but if the submarine mode was intended official, they would have stopped with the instructions there, and gave a separate set for the extra kibble.

Forgot to mention that it's the same thing with Commander Rodimus Prime. The car can be on its own as "Beefy Hot Rod."

Also, Your instructions argument hold no ground because Shockwave could not stand on his own without the "super armor."

[Emerje]

Just going to point out that the lack of gun modes has nothing to do with with gun laws. Hasbro owns Nerf, they know the toy gun laws, they could make a transforming laser gun if they wanted to, they've even made Transformers branded Nerf (and Nerf-like) guns. The problem is most likely that they don't want to take any chances with backlash from a kid bringing their Transformer to school and getting expelled. We live in a time when kids are getting kicked out of American schools for pointing finger guns at each other or drawing pictures of guns in class. A kid that draws a picture of someone being shot is deemed mentally unstable and in need of lots of counseling and therapy before they shoot up the school. That's just the society we live in now. Sure, a kid could also bring a Nerf gun to school that actually fires projectiles, but I'm guessing they're already told not to bring toy guns to school, but an innocent robot toy that the kid throws into their backpack forgetting what it turns into? A little more problematic for Hasbro. That's what I think anyway, but it's definitely not because of gun laws.

Transformers fans cant have an accurate transforming alt mode of the Original Megatron.

Did we already forget MP Megs exist or-

Ever tried importing either version?

I imported both, along with G1 Megatron, piece of cake

Same. My MP-5 Megatron I got from HLJ had an orange rubber stopper in the barrel, my Encore Megatron (also from HLJ) had an orange cap over the barrel that was glued on the inside, but still popped right off (though the crusty glue is still inside. And my MP-36 Megatron that I think came from AmiAmi had nothing. None of the three had issues coming in.

I’m happy that we’ve got an SS86 Sunstreaker incoming, but more corrections are needed. Netflix Soundwave needs an 86 release with less greebled forearms and the gray parts replaced with white.

That mold is done and over with. Hasbro dev team said their plans for the next Soundwave is a new mold at the same size as Voyager Blaster.

What are the chances the new SS mystery Rumble is the WFC/FOC version?




Emerje

[Rodimus Prime]

Also, Your instructions argument hold no ground because Shockwave could not stand on his own without the "super armor."

But he does. And as I pointed out before, his robot mode is exempt because it appears in the WFC series, making it an official representation. However, his alt mode does not, so we're left to rely on the instructions as official guidance.

As for why do we need gun Megatron in SS? Because whether it's liked or not by some, SS86 exists and it keeps producing the most screen-accurate versions of G1 figures, and in G1 on screen Megatron was a gun.

It's understandable why it is frowned upon these days, hence my high interest in a foreign release exclusive to circumvent the restrictions in the US. As for the MPs being adequate substitutes, are they in scale? MP-05 isn't. MP-36? If so, then fine. That can be the Megatron to represent him from the animated film. Still shorthands the SS86 line itself, but at least there's a figure for him.

Now onto commander Ultra Magnus.

1st, let me say that I disagree with MP-22 needing an update. It's a pretty darn good figure to this day. Can it be updated? Probably. The engineering has advanced since its release. But it's not necessary.

2nd, I also don't think CC Magnus can be done without the white Prime, for budget reasons as well as my belief that if there will be a CC Magnus it will be a retool for either another Prime with a (better) trailer, or the next iteration of Powermaster Prime.

Having said that, I think Magnus should be done as a single figure, because that would be truly accurate.

[-Kanrabat-]

Well, I don't think SS86 needs to be a slave to "screen accuracy". So far, all of the SS86 toys are more "Generations" than screen accurate, with all the details and extra bits like backpacks. So having a UM with a better white Prime and a way better truck mode would be awesome.

For me, The Siege mold is absolutely perfect because it's "Cybertronian" and it just works. However, the Kingdom retool is horrendous. There is not enough difference between the bots of Siege and Kingdom, while the vehicle feels grossly incomplete. However, that mold works surprisingly well for SHATTERED GLASS UM. Having that derpy vehicle for the Evil Magnus just works IMO.

As for Megs, I think he has been completely "written off" his gun mode since years and years. Takara could make Gun Megs, but if Hasbro ever do it again since that surprise Reveal The Shield Legends, I'd be very, VERY surprised.

[TF-fan kev777]

Looks like Amazon is about to start shipping out Freezer. Mine should be here Wednesday.