Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction

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Hey TF Fans. Did any of you ever find an Alpha Bravo that came with a comic? We were told we would get them but it seems only Drag Strip was reissued with a comic (for a wave 2 restock). The comics were given out as a special giveaway when spending 1999 yuan at a comic event in Taipei, Taiwan, and a user posted them on the TFND forum. The really cool thing about these is that we now have more background for Alpha Bravo!

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Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719796)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 21st, 2015 @ 9:16pm CDT

I love these bios. They are really slamming these out of the park

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719799)
Posted by RainyDayMan2k on August 21st, 2015 @ 9:28pm CDT

Yeah, but... which reprint matches up to which character?

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719803)
Posted by william-james88 on August 21st, 2015 @ 9:39pm CDT

Shegotron wrote:Yeah, but... which reprint matches up to which character?

Good point, we technically do not know. But knowing as to how random they all are all the time, does it really matter?

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719806)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 21st, 2015 @ 9:48pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Shegotron wrote:Yeah, but... which reprint matches up to which character?

Good point, we technically do not know. But knowing as to how random they all are all the time, does it really matter?

For us OCD completionists? :BOOM:

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719813)
Posted by Burn on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:04pm CDT

Well this will just make Va'als day and ruin Rated X's. :-P

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719814)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:05pm CDT

Burn wrote:Well this will just make Va'als day and ruin Rated X's.

Sooo, marks across the board then?

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719815)
Posted by Burn on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:09pm CDT

Shuttershock wrote:
Burn wrote:Well this will just make Va'als day and ruin Rated X's.

Sooo, marks across the board then?

No, while I'm all for ticking RX off, I also don't like Va'al being happy.

What can I say? I'm a bastard. :-P

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719816)
Posted by Sabrblade on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:11pm CDT

Burn wrote:Well this will just make Va'als day and ruin Rated X's.

Hm, must be Tuesday.

On a Friday, somehow.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719818)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:13pm CDT

Sorry, there is no way firefly's gun is not a flamethrower >:oP

Everything else was great, but, maybe go and change that around.

Also, they (hasbro/TT) could have easily given one of the jet limbs vtol capabilities if they wanted too - all they would've had to do was mold fans into their wings >:oP

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719820)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:19pm CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:Sorry, there is no way firefly's gun is not a flamethrower Everything else was great, but, maybe go and change that around.

Also, they (hasbro/TT) could have easily given one of the jet limbs vtol capabilities if they wanted too - all they would've had to do was mold fans into their wings

Well, Harriers ARE jump jets. Are you talking like Thrust/Windblade fans?

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719821)
Posted by william-james88 on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:25pm CDT

Shuttershock wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Sorry, there is no way firefly's gun is not a flamethrower Everything else was great, but, maybe go and change that around.

Also, they (hasbro/TT) could have easily given one of the jet limbs vtol capabilities if they wanted too - all they would've had to do was mold fans into their wings

Well, Harriers ARE jump jets. Are you talking like Thrust/Windblade fans?

Yeah, thats what he meant. I was actually gonna make a joke like "what, vtol on a jet? But they never did it before.. oh, wait", and then put a pic of thrust and windblade. But you beat me to it!

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719824)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:40pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Sorry, there is no way firefly's gun is not a flamethrower Everything else was great, but, maybe go and change that around.

Also, they (hasbro/TT) could have easily given one of the jet limbs vtol capabilities if they wanted too - all they would've had to do was mold fans into their wings

Well, Harriers ARE jump jets. Are you talking like Thrust/Windblade fans?

Yeah, thats what he meant. I was actually gonna make a joke like "what, vtol on a jet? But they never did it before.. oh, wait", and then put a pic of thrust and windblade. But you beat me to it!

Well, I mean there's telling you it is, and making the connection yourself mentally/visually. Remember, these really didn't make it to our stores, so we don't know that they are or are not vtol capable (and just like the 6 wheeled dragstrip, there's a 'coolness' quotient to the fans on the wings, like Windblade)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719825)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 21st, 2015 @ 10:43pm CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Sorry, there is no way firefly's gun is not a flamethrower Everything else was great, but, maybe go and change that around.

Also, they (hasbro/TT) could have easily given one of the jet limbs vtol capabilities if they wanted too - all they would've had to do was mold fans into their wings

Well, Harriers ARE jump jets. Are you talking like Thrust/Windblade fans?

Yeah, thats what he meant. I was actually gonna make a joke like "what, vtol on a jet? But they never did it before.. oh, wait", and then put a pic of thrust and windblade. But you beat me to it!

Well, I mean there's telling you it is, and making the connection yourself mentally/visually. Remember, these really didn't make it to our stores, so we don't know that they are or are not vtol capable (and just like the 6 wheeled dragstrip, there's a 'coolness' quotient to the fans on the wings, like Windblade)

Fair enough. I guess even Movie Dreadwing had a sculpted fan for coolness.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719847)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:15am CDT

Burn wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Burn wrote:Well this will just make Va'als day and ruin Rated X's.

Sooo, marks across the board then?

No, while I'm all for ticking RX off, I also don't like Va'al being happy.

What can I say? I'm a ****.

Awe man, that ain't fair: Va'al deserves to be happy too

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719849)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:16am CDT

I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719851)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:19am CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719855)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:34am CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719856)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:39am CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me), I'm just sick of a/b clones (especially since he's an exact clone of vortex :roll:

)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719857)
Posted by Burn on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:46am CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me),

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719858)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 22nd, 2015 @ 12:50am CDT

Burn wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me),

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719859)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 1:00am CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me), I'm just sick of a/b clones (especially since he's an exact clone of vortex )

Yeah, Vortex is a bummer since they are straight repaints, I'll give you that

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719860)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 1:04am CDT

Burn wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me),

Yeah, for some reason, all the a/b clones I (and many others that I've seen) have the detent gear miss molded, so the port (when used as a joint) is ~.5 degrees off from all the others that I have. So when used as a knee, he will always be unbalanced (he cannot even stand properly because of this) so it's hard for me to like him, when him, blades, and vortex suffer from this problem (mine, many reviewers', and even the galleries here have shown this)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719861)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 22nd, 2015 @ 1:05am CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me), I'm just sick of a/b clones (especially since he's an exact clone of vortex )

Yeah, Vortex is a bummer since they are straight repaints, I'll give you that

On the flip side, while Vortex is the same moldwise, I love the color scheme they're going with for him. I was concerned they wouldn't have it in them to make a mostly grey and turquoise bot and just do what they did with the FOC one.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719863)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 1:08am CDT

Shuttershock wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me), I'm just sick of a/b clones (especially since he's an exact clone of vortex )

Yeah, Vortex is a bummer since they are straight repaints, I'll give you that

On the flip side, while Vortex is the same moldwise, I love the color scheme they're going with for him. I was concerned they wouldn't have it in them to make a mostly grey and turquoise bot and just do what they did with the FOC one.

Yeah, but having experienced the same damn thing twice, it won't be that great when I get it. And that to me is the entire problem of this line.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719868)
Posted by Burn on August 22nd, 2015 @ 1:47am CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Burn wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me),

Yeah, for some reason, all the a/b clones I (and many others that I've seen) have the detent gear miss molded, so the port (when used as a joint) is ~.5 degrees off from all the others that I have. So when used as a knee, he will always be unbalanced (he cannot even stand properly because of this) so it's hard for me to like him, when him, blades, and vortex suffer from this problem (mine, many reviewers', and even the galleries here have shown this)

Yeah ... get technical all you want, but we really know how you "love" your toys now. :-P

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719871)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 2:06am CDT

Burn wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Burn wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me),

Yeah, for some reason, all the a/b clones I (and many others that I've seen) have the detent gear miss molded, so the port (when used as a joint) is ~.5 degrees off from all the others that I have. So when used as a knee, he will always be unbalanced (he cannot even stand properly because of this) so it's hard for me to like him, when him, blades, and vortex suffer from this problem (mine, many reviewers', and even the galleries here have shown this)

Yeah ... get technical all you want, but we really know how you "love" your toys now.

Wouldn't be here if I didn't, now would I :-P

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719872)
Posted by Va'al on August 22nd, 2015 @ 2:06am CDT

ALPHA BRAVO BE PRAISED

(This news post is approved by Thew.)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719873)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 2:09am CDT

Va'al wrote:ALPHA BRAVO BE PRAISED

(This news post is approved by Thew.)

Praise be to Lord Thew - official reviewer of seibertron.com

(and a/b, I guess)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719932)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 11:29am CDT

Shuttershock wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I know a lot of people are sick of the mold, But I still like AB. He is part of my Superion and shall remain so, and He does have a good bio. Shows us all kinds of stuff that he really hasn't gotten in fiction yet

I'm sick of him not being remolded, especially as all of the parts in question are obtusely easy to remold as they play no integral part of the figures alt mode, and are not complicated parts in the slightest (the lower arms, tail, rotors, and cockpit shells)

True yes, and something I am glad they are doing with Victorion, but I still really like him

Yeah, I love him too (insofar as his combiner port will let me), I'm just sick of a/b clones (especially since he's an exact clone of vortex )

Yeah, Vortex is a bummer since they are straight repaints, I'll give you that

On the flip side, while Vortex is the same moldwise, I love the color scheme they're going with for him. I was concerned they wouldn't have it in them to make a mostly grey and turquoise bot and just do what they did with the FOC one.

also true, The radically different color schemes make these guys quite different

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719934)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 11:30am CDT

Va'al wrote:ALPHA BRAVO BE PRAISED

(This news post is approved by Thew.)

This is quality right here

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719935)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 11:31am CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Yeah, but having experienced the same damn thing twice, it won't be that great when I get it. And that to me is the entire problem of this line.

Mold fatigue, yes, but considering I have these guys combined so much, and considering that the helicoptor limb has been 3 different limb locations, I can deal with it.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719975)
Posted by Optimum Supreme on August 22nd, 2015 @ 2:54pm CDT

You know who has VTOL AND can keep up with his teammates?

SLINGSHOT, the greatest of all Aerialbots, that's who.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719976)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 2:56pm CDT

Optimum Supreme wrote:You know who has VTOL AND can keep up with his teammates?

SLINGSHOT, the greatest of all Aerialbots, that's who.

Hoe does that toy have VTOL?

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719984)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 3:07pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Optimum Supreme wrote:You know who has VTOL AND can keep up with his teammates?

SLINGSHOT, the greatest of all Aerialbots, that's who.

Hoe does that toy have VTOL?

It does not. Unless you count taking off in robot mode with jets in the feet and transforming midair. But Alpha Bravo still is the only Vehicle mode aerialbot capable of VTOL

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719988)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 22nd, 2015 @ 3:14pm CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Optimum Supreme wrote:You know who has VTOL AND can keep up with his teammates?

SLINGSHOT, the greatest of all Aerialbots, that's who.

Hoe does that toy have VTOL?

It does not. Unless you count taking off in robot mode with jets in the feet and transforming midair. But Alpha Bravo still is the only Vehicle mode aerialbot capable of VTOL

Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719990)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 3:18pm CDT

Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1719991)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 22nd, 2015 @ 3:21pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Indeed...

(There was also a scene in True Lies of a Harrier taking off. This, along with the A10 Warthog (Thunderbolt II) are among my favorite military aircraft.)

Though, not to run afoul of Va'al, AB is still superior. :-s

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720006)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:06pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720013)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:43pm CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

Yeah, I believe they use a single pivoting thruster that can aim straight down, or straight behind them, and then, smaller thrusters below the body to aid take off.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720015)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:44pm CDT

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

I don't think you're the only one. The official bio seems to forget that Slingshot was based off of a Harrier. And since Firefly is now sharing a mold with Slingshot, and both look sort of like a Harrier...yeah, I don't think anyone could be blamed for forgetting this bit. Well, maybe Hasbro since we love to hammer them. And maybe they didn't count Slingshot as he was the bot AB was replacing....

Yeah, my head hurts now. :HEADHURTS:

Interesting fact, if anyone cares. G1 Slingshot had venting on the back of his hands that were supposed to emulate the vents on the side of the Harrier. :-B

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720016)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:46pm CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

Yeah, I believe they use a single pivoting thruster that can aim straight down, or straight behind them, and then, smaller thrusters below the body to aid take off.

Sorry for the double post, you posted as I was posting. Are you talking about the Harrier? There are two pivoting exhaust ports on either side of the jet. There is no single thruster along the center. Check out the video a couple posts up.

(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! 8-)

)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720017)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:49pm CDT

Agamemnon wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

Yeah, I believe they use a single pivoting thruster that can aim straight down, or straight behind them, and then, smaller thrusters below the body to aid take off.

Sorry for the double post, you posted as I was posting. Are you talking about the Harrier? There are two pivoting exhaust ports on either side of the jet. There is no single thruster along the center. Check out the video a couple posts up.

(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

Well, I knew one kind does use that; but yeah, they could've easily molded some vents onto the side of slingshot/fireflys arms >:oP

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720018)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:52pm CDT

Agamemnon wrote:
(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

Well then I am glad to have you around since I have a question. Is it wrong to see the F-117 Nighthawk as a jet as well? I am talking about categorizing generally.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720019)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 4:54pm CDT

william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

Well then I am glad to have you around since I have a question. Is it wrong to see the F-117 Nighthawk as a jet as well? I am talking about categorizing generally.

Yes, I believe it is classified as awesome 8-)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720021)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 22nd, 2015 @ 5:07pm CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

Well then I am glad to have you around since I have a question. Is it wrong to see the F-117 Nighthawk as a jet as well? I am talking about categorizing generally.

Yes, I believe it is classified as awesome

I think the F-117 should have been classified as a Bomber, or B-117, instead as a Fighter. Is that what you are asking, WJ? It does fly with a jet engine, but there are so many things weird about its flight abilities that we could spend an afternoon just talking about that. The stealth nature is what makes the flight surfaces all flat. The jet exhaust is run through some surfaces and mesh to help eliminate the heat signature and foil heat seeking missiles. I've heard the thing would be impossible to fly if it were not for the micro-corrections made by the flight computers. (This was made possible by equipment that allowed the forward swept wing prototype X-29 fly without crashing.)

I was really stoked when Soundwave was made into a F-117-esque plane. I think it would be awesome to see him in that configuration again, but as a limb in Combiner Wars. #ShamelessAttemptToStayOnTopic

[Edit] Oh, the reason I thought it should have been classified as a bomber had to do with its mission planning. It was never really meant to engage in air-to-air combat, though I would imagine it could carry long range air-to-air missiles, like the Phoenix. Otherwise, its mission profiles had it mostly dropping smart bombs. Maybe a cruse missile, though I really don't remember that actually happening outside of perhaps a movie reference.... Lots of stuff is still classified, so who knows.

And thanks again for letting me geek out on fighter jets. :DANCE:

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720023)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 5:14pm CDT

Agamemnon wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Agamemnon wrote:
(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

Well then I am glad to have you around since I have a question. Is it wrong to see the F-117 Nighthawk as a jet as well? I am talking about categorizing generally.

Yes, I believe it is classified as awesome

I think the F-117 should have been classified as a Bomber, or B-117, instead as a Fighter. Is that what you are asking, WJ? It does fly with a jet engine, but there are so many things weird about its flight abilities that we could spend an afternoon just talking about that. The stealth nature is what makes the flight surfaces all flat. The jet exhaust is run through some surfaces and mesh to help eliminate the heat signature and foil heat seeking missiles. I've heard the thing would be impossible to fly if it were not for the micro-corrections made by the flight computers. (This was made possible by equipment that allowed the forward swept wing prototype X-29 fly without crashing.)

[Edit] Oh, the reason I thought it should have been classified as a bomber had to do with its mission planning. It was never really meant to engage in air-to-air combat, though I would imagine it could carry long range air-to-air missiles, like the Phoenix. Otherwise, its mission profiles had it mostly dropping smart bombs. Maybe a cruse missile, though I really don't remember that actually happening outside of perhaps a movie reference.... Lots of stuff is still classified, so who knows.

And thanks again for letting me geek out on fighter jets.

I still think mine was more accurate [-(

But yeah, I believe it was predominantly a bomber used to soften up enemy positions; so yes, it should have been classified as a bomber (does it even have the acrobatic capabilities of fighters

)

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720026)
Posted by william-james88 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 5:38pm CDT

Interesting. I as because TF Wiki calls movie Mindwipe's alt mode the following:

Mindwipe transforms from a bat-like robot into a fighter plane similar to a F-117 Nighthawk stealth ground attack aircraft.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mindwipe_(ROTF)

And they use "fighter", which I realize now is probably erroneous (OH, TF WIKI IS WROOOOONG!!!!!). However, I was wondering why they called it "fighter plane" and not "fighter jet". But now I know it is a bomber, which makes perfect sense. And now I know it has a jet engine, so it is still a jet as a larger categorical identifier but then is a bomber instead of a fighter. Let me know if that is correct.

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720038)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on August 22nd, 2015 @ 6:25pm CDT

william-james88 wrote: Interesting. I ask because TF Wiki calls movie Mindwipe's alt mode the following:

Mindwipe transforms from a bat-like robot into a fighter plane similar to a F-117 Nighthawk stealth ground attack aircraft.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mindwipe_(ROTF)

And they use "fighter", which I realize now is probably erroneous (OH, TF WIKI IS WROOOOONG!!!!!). However, I was wondering why they called it "fighter plane" and not "fighter jet". But now I know it is a bomber, which makes perfect sense. And now I know it has a jet engine, so it is still a jet as a larger categorical identifier but then is a bomber instead of a fighter. Let me know if that is correct.

Well the f-117 is actually larger than fighter jets aren't they? And mindwipe is some sort of perverse uber bomber/jet hybrid (that is also alien) so I don't know if you can quantify it by earthly standards :-B

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720047)
Posted by Agamemnon on August 22nd, 2015 @ 7:07pm CDT

Hellscream9999 wrote:
william-james88 wrote: Interesting. I ask because TF Wiki calls movie Mindwipe's alt mode the following:

Mindwipe transforms from a bat-like robot into a fighter plane similar to a F-117 Nighthawk stealth ground attack aircraft.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mindwipe_(ROTF)

And they use "fighter", which I realize now is probably erroneous (OH, TF WIKI IS WROOOOONG!!!!!). However, I was wondering why they called it "fighter plane" and not "fighter jet". But now I know it is a bomber, which makes perfect sense. And now I know it has a jet engine, so it is still a jet as a larger categorical identifier but then is a bomber instead of a fighter. Let me know if that is correct.

Well the f-117 is actually larger than fighter jets aren't they? And mindwipe is some sort of perverse uber bomber/jet hybrid (that is also alien) so I don't know if you can quantify it by earthly standards

To WJ, the "fighter" designation likely comes from the "F" in "F-117." And from the TFWiki, another more accurate designation might be "A-117" beacuse of the "attack" designation... :lol:

To Hellscream9999, I think the F117 is comparable to other fighter aircraft. Here's one with a ground crew under it at the landing gear:

Here's ground crew under the F-15, which saw a lot of action with the F-117 in the Gulf War:

Then here's a smaller fighter plane, the F-16

Though, that's nothing compared to the tiny A-4 (think Top Gun):

And speaking of Top Gun, if I were to think about a very large fighter, it'd probably be the F-14:

So...in conclusion, these are all probably similar in size. It also makes a lot of sense to have them as limbs on a combiner because of the similar size....

Re: Bios for first wave of Transformers Combiner Wars deluxes, more Alpha Bravo fiction (1720049)
Posted by Shuttershock on August 22nd, 2015 @ 7:24pm CDT

Agamemnon wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Shuttershock wrote:
Again, not being vindictive, but Harriers ARE VTOL capable. They just don't use obvious fans or propellers to do it.

That's pretty amazing.

Forgot he was based on a Harrier, my bad!

Yeah, I believe they use a single pivoting thruster that can aim straight down, or straight behind them, and then, smaller thrusters below the body to aid take off.

Sorry for the double post, you posted as I was posting. Are you talking about the Harrier? There are two pivoting exhaust ports on either side of the jet. There is no single thruster along the center. Check out the video a couple posts up.

(Wow, I love talking fighter jets! )

I'm thinking of the jet chasing John McClane in the 4th Die Hard, which had a single thruster about midway back that pivoted for VTOL. Don't know if that's based on a real life jet, just what came to mind.

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