Group Shot of the 86 Leader Dinobots and More Images of Swoop and Latest SS Reveals

Definitely picking up Side Burn and Hot Shot on sight.

The real question is... will they eventually give us the repaints for both? Super Side Burn and Excellion. Hopefully Excellion is easier to Gert this time around than he was originally.

Vector Prime might be interesting. I own the original one, but would like to see what a modern take on him does. At least his soft rubbery wings and sword probably won't be a thing.

Sweet pics

That Sideswipe looks WAY better than the first mold from back in the day.

Overcracker wrote:Definitely picking up Side Burn and Hot Shot on sight.

The real question is... will they eventually give us the repaints for both? Super Side Burn and Excellion. Hopefully Excellion is easier to Gert this time around than he was originally.

Vector Prime might be interesting. I own the original one, but would like to see what a modern take on him does. At least his soft rubbery wings and sword probably won't be a thing.

His sword was soft plastic? I remember it being hard plastic for some reason.

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Definitely picking up Side Burn and Hot Shot on sight.

The real question is... will they eventually give us the repaints for both? Super Side Burn and Excellion. Hopefully Excellion is easier to Gert this time around than he was originally.

Vector Prime might be interesting. I own the original one, but would like to see what a modern take on him does. At least his soft rubbery wings and sword probably won't be a thing.

His sword was soft plastic? I remember it being hard plastic for some reason.

Soft and wobbly, sadly, at least the Hasbro Version.

Galaxy Force had apparently a stiffer sword, though I never owned him so can’t confirm that.

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Definitely picking up Side Burn and Hot Shot on sight.

The real question is... will they eventually give us the repaints for both? Super Side Burn and Excellion. Hopefully Excellion is easier to Gert this time around than he was originally.

Vector Prime might be interesting. I own the original one, but would like to see what a modern take on him does. At least his soft rubbery wings and sword probably won't be a thing.

His sword was soft plastic? I remember it being hard plastic for some reason.

The Hasbro version (left) used soft plastic for the sword and wings, while the Takara version (right) used a harder non-bendy plastic.

So it looks like in the original photos from the display at WonderCon, Swoop’s wings weren’t transformed completely; the circular hinge I spotted is used to extend his wings.
In those photos, that hinge is at the back of the wings, but in recent photos, those are in the front (once the wings are opened all the way).
Now I don’t think this makes some ginormous difference, but definitely helps.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Definitely picking up Side Burn and Hot Shot on sight.

The real question is... will they eventually give us the repaints for both? Super Side Burn and Excellion. Hopefully Excellion is easier to Gert this time around than he was originally.

Vector Prime might be interesting. I own the original one, but would like to see what a modern take on him does. At least his soft rubbery wings and sword probably won't be a thing.

His sword was soft plastic? I remember it being hard plastic for some reason.

The Hasbro version (left) used soft plastic for the sword and wings, while the Takara version (right) used a harder non-bendy plastic.

Ahhhhh the good old days of child safety standards, and when they mattered.

I may have skimmed over the article, but does Swoop really come with a flight stand?

-Kanrabat- wrote:I may have skimmed over the article, but does Swoop really come with a flight stand?

No. He's just flight stand compatible.

Sabrblade wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:I may have skimmed over the article, but does Swoop really come with a flight stand?

No. He's just flight stand compatible.

Tsk.

Having tiger strip Grimlock, I gotta admit, I wouldn't say no to G2 coloured Dinobots. The blue and green swoop in particular.

~ Grim

Big Grim wrote:Having tiger strip Grimlock, I gotta admit, I wouldn't say no to G2 coloured Dinobots. The blue and green swoop in particular.

~ Grim

I would be on board with this.

I would also like leader FOC Dinobots, though I can wait on them until we finish the live action leader dinobots.

BTW, Sunstreaker and Sideswipe are in stock at Amazon, bought mine last night

Yep, it looks like the designers used the model sheet section that depict Swoop's wings in a configuration that doesn't really follow what they actually did in the cartoon.



In the cartoon, no matter what the model sheet conveyed, they drew Swoop's wings so they reached further back, attaching closer to his rear 'claws'. And the section of the wings which connected to the body were not angled forwards. They went pretty much straight out from the side of the body, tapering slightly inward. This had the wings extending out further, and using a 3-hinge setup for better 'flapping' poses, not a 2-hinge setup.



I wish they'd gone that way instead. It would give Swoop more presence with a wider wingspan, and I'm sure they could have accommodated the 3-hinge wings with the engineering and not sacrificed the robot mode's cartoon accuracy.



The 2-hinge setup, combined with the shorter wingspan, diminishes the appearance of the wings by comparison to how he was conveyed, in action, on the series.

I am a bit surprised the wings don’t have 3 hinges…
Sure, the torso expands/collapses, but there is very little transforming in either the arm or leg areas; fewer parts and less engineering overall, and therefore I figured more would’ve gone into the wings and the wing articulation.
Thankfully this doesn’t affect the appearance of the bot mode.

Every one of these Dinobots has at least a slight issue with their dino mode. But considering they are pretty legitimate Leader class figures, it doesn’t seem like these issues could have been adequately addressed in this budget. Even scrapping the couple pack-in figures probably wouldn’t be enough.
I’m confident these are the best Dinobots Hastak will release for a very long, long time.
Anything better will not only be years and years and years and years down the road, but guaranteed they will be much more expensive, without any guarantee they’ll be as large or larger.

I’m very happy with all 5.

3rd party wing extensions in 3…2…1….

Just waiting for him to be up for preorder...

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just waiting for him to be up for preorder...

Same, not waiting like I did with Snarl and then have to scramble to find one. I'm surprised it didn't go up this week like SS Suntreaker and SSGE Sideswipe did since they were all revealed at the same time.

Emerje

One good thing to me about Swoop: he appears to continue the trend of odd number release dinobots being good. He looks great. I am continuing to enjoy him as more photos come out.

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just waiting for him to be up for preorder...

Same, not waiting like I did with Snarl and then have to scramble to find one. I'm surprised it didn't go up this week like SS Suntreaker and SSGE Sideswipe did since they were all revealed at the same time.

Emerje

Preorders go live at 1 today on Pulse.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:One good thing to me about Swoop: he appears to continue the trend of odd number release dinobots being good. He looks great. I am continuing to enjoy him as more photos come out.

Emerje wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Just waiting for him to be up for preorder...

Same, not waiting like I did with Snarl and then have to scramble to find one. I'm surprised it didn't go up this week like SS Suntreaker and SSGE Sideswipe did since they were all revealed at the same time.

Emerje

Preorders go live at 1 today on Pulse.

He had already sold out when I checked at 1:20. So much for that! Ordered one on BBTS. Was hoping it would go up on Target, but it hasn't yet (Target Prime is available again so there's that).

Emerje

Put in my preorder for two copies of Swoop with Amazon just a little after noon.
I thought this guy was wave 2…. Even if he ships in July, that’s third quarter…
Oh well.

It’s kind of crazy that I’ve preordered the last TF figure on my “Most Wanted” list…
Anything and everything else is just icing now.

Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

If it makes you feel any better, my Autobot 5 pk will be here from Entertainment Earth in 6 days even though I want to say the original ship date was for sometime in July.

Nabbed Swoop off Gamestop. Last G1 Swoop I'm ever gonna get.

Yes his wings could stand to be longer. I'm hoping for a 3P fix but I wonder how it can be done. I see rivets in there. Honestly, though, all the dinos have their own unique flaws. Grim has missing front teeth. Slag has a gun where the tip of the tail should be. Snarl has their weird tail. Sludge has a hollow belly! It would be inconsistent for Swoop to be perfect!

TBH, though, even if they're all just 10% shy of 100% I'm glad to have the set. I never thought we'd get large, official, Dinobots.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

If it makes you feel any better, my Autobot 5 pk will be here from Entertainment Earth in 6 days even though I want to say the original ship date was for sometime in July.

Yep, my BBTS order still says July.

Emerje

Just heard The Touch at the airport. Heard it a few weeks back at a restaurant too and I'd never heard it while out anywhere. Hopefully the people in charge of music at these places are also celebrating the 40th, or maybe it's just chance lol but I hear that song and I can hear Optimus saying "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost"

Razorbeast88 wrote:Just heard The Touch at the airport. Heard it a few weeks back at a restaurant too and I'd never heard it while out anywhere. Hopefully the people in charge of music at these places are also celebrating the 40th, or maybe it's just chance lol but I hear that song and I can hear Optimus saying "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost"

That's pretty wild!

Incidentally my SS86 Snarl just shipped from Entertainment Earth. Yay, it wasn't cancelled!

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Just heard The Touch at the airport. Heard it a few weeks back at a restaurant too and I'd never heard it while out anywhere. Hopefully the people in charge of music at these places are also celebrating the 40th, or maybe it's just chance lol but I hear that song and I can hear Optimus saying "Megatron must be stopped, no matter the cost"

That's pretty wild!

Incidentally my SS86 Snarl just shipped from Entertainment Earth. Yay, it wasn't cancelled!

Emerje

Sweeetttt, I got my Snarl through there as well

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

If it makes you feel any better, my Autobot 5 pk will be here from Entertainment Earth in 6 days even though I want to say the original ship date was for sometime in July.

I was originally going to pass on this set, but with there being almost nothing else to get this year I decided to cave since Game Stop had it in stock for ordering, and the fact I have about 40 points to redeem thus lowering the cost.

As I said in another thread I tried to order Gears from them too but hit a snag with arrival dates and wanted to charge shipping on each item. So now I'm back to thinking EE is the only way to get Swoop, Gears and a couple others.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

If it makes you feel any better, my Autobot 5 pk will be here from Entertainment Earth in 6 days even though I want to say the original ship date was for sometime in July.

I was originally going to pass on this set, but with there being almost nothing else to get this year I decided to cave since Game Stop had it in stock for ordering, and the fact I have about 40 points to redeem thus lowering the cost.

As I said in another thread I tried to order Gears from them too but hit a snag with arrival dates and wanted to charge shipping on each item. So now I'm back to thinking EE is the only way to get Swoop, Gears and a couple others.

The Autobot 5 pack was an exception for me. I really want Sunstreaker,
and this Hound is probably the best we'll get until after I'm retired from collecting. I also really like the new versions of the other three, and I never could find Trailbreaker.

I was really happy that the day after my SS86 Blaster showed up on my doorstep, I was able to return and re-buy him at Target for 30% off. Not to mention, that $24+ went towards another promo of getting $10 off a total purchase of $50+.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:Absolutely brilliant! I had an appointment today which prevented me from being able to place and order at Pulse, so I guess I'd have to try y luck with EE's questionable availability.

If it makes you feel any better, my Autobot 5 pk will be here from Entertainment Earth in 6 days even though I want to say the original ship date was for sometime in July.

I was originally going to pass on this set, but with there being almost nothing else to get this year I decided to cave since Game Stop had it in stock for ordering, and the fact I have about 40 points to redeem thus lowering the cost.

As I said in another thread I tried to order Gears from them too but hit a snag with arrival dates and wanted to charge shipping on each item. So now I'm back to thinking EE is the only way to get Swoop, Gears and a couple others.

I'm really annoyed by the way Gamestop separates the free shipping threshold by release date instead of by cart like they used to. Thankfully they had a bunch of new Legacy stuff in stock, and some open SS pre-orders coming later. Gears is the only thing I wanted that I didn't order because of his unique release date for some reason.

Emerje

Regarding the weapons for all the Dinobots, are the pegs all 5mm? My thanks in advance!

Nemesis Destron wrote:Regarding the weapons for all the Dinobots, are the pegs all 5mm? My thanks in advance!

Obviously.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Regarding the weapons for all the Dinobots, are the pegs all 5mm? My thanks in advance!

Obviously.

Well so much escapes me these days so I had to ask, thanks again!

Sowndwave76 wrote:The Autobot 5 pack was an exception for me. I really want Sunstreaker,
and this Hound is probably the best we'll get until after I'm retired from collecting. I also really like the new versions of the other three, and I never could find Trailbreaker.

My white whale in this set was Hound being that I too am getting close to winding down and by the time they revisit him better like SS86 Ironhide I'll be out. Second is Trailbreaker because I wasn't sure on him at first but then eventually sold out everywhere when I made the decision.

I went back and forth because I have zero use for the others and the fact I didn't really want opaque windows amongst the other Bots that don't have them.
That ship sailed when I couldn't get ahold of Cliffy repaint, figures if I couldn't start there then it's pointless having that gap. lol

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:The Autobot 5 pack was an exception for me. I really want Sunstreaker,
and this Hound is probably the best we'll get until after I'm retired from collecting. I also really like the new versions of the other three, and I never could find Trailbreaker.

My white whale in this set was Hound being that I too am getting close to winding down and by the time they revisit him better like SS86 Ironhide I'll be out. Second is Trailbreaker because I wasn't sure on him at first but then eventually sold out everywhere when I made the decision.

I went back and forth because I have zero use for the others and the fact I didn't really want opaque windows amongst the other Bots that don't have them.
That ship sailed when I couldn't get ahold of Cliffy repaint, figures if I couldn't start there then it's pointless having that gap. lol

You may want to keep an eye on Walmart.com. For a while they had Buzzworthy Cliffjumper for $24-ish. Buzzworthy Kup is $20 right now. I'm not going to let it bother me that some of my Autobots have transparent windows. It is what it is. I even have Ironhide modded to mostly opaque plastic, but his windshield is still transparent.
Unless there is some crazy sale, I don't plan on doing the same for Ratchet. What will bother me is when I like the altered face of Brawn more than the original.

Theoretically I can say it doesn't bother me, but I know that as soon as I a have a few on the shelf looking different my OCD will kick in big time!
And realistically I don't have it in me to totally swap everyone out with opaque windows anyway, nor the time if that's something they'd ever finish doing.

What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

Not sure on that. Personally, I'm sick of same ol same ol and want something completely different to refresh the brand. Consider that those toys were coming out at the end of the "Big Time" period of TFs and won't have the mainstream appeal of the previous lines of G1.

Well the Studio Series lines aren't meant to be new in general. The mainline, aka the line supported by media for kids is where change and new ideas will come. Speaking from experience, these later TF lines came when I was a little older and not as rough on my toys so I remember them more fondly as they were the ones that lasted. I wonder who else is in that boat too.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

Titans Return says hi.

I'd have to pass on all of that, was never into all those gimmicks. Truthfully the show was nebvre the same after the movie, not that it was "great" beforehand but it definitely went downhill a little for me. Maybe it's because all my favorite bots were gone and none of the new ones ever took hold.

Sabrblade wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

Titan Return says hi.

HELLO!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

SS87 would require Hasbro to incorporate TV shows into the line, at which point I would ask why they would need to do specific year branding anymore? Change the sub brand to Studio Series Animated and open it up to all cartoons. I'd personally love some updated Deluxe Predacons from RID.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

SS87 would require Hasbro to incorporate TV shows into the line, at which point I would ask why they would need to do specific year branding anymore? Change the sub brand to Studio Series Animated and open it up to all cartoons. I'd personally love some updated Deluxe Predacons from RID.

Emerje

I like that idea!

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

SS87 would require Hasbro to incorporate TV shows into the line, at which point I would ask why they would need to do specific year branding anymore? Change the sub brand to Studio Series Animated and open it up to all cartoons. I'd personally love some updated Deluxe Predacons from RID.

Emerje

This type of line, if any, is what I envision replacing SS86.
A subline that continues designs that are as close to characters’ animated appearances as possible.
For one, it’s another landing spot for re-uses of molds with altered decos, and possible slight retooling.
Second, it’s pretty clear these screen-accurate figures sell. I know SS86 Arcee was pegged as a shelf-warmer, but I personally can’t claim that was the case in my area. In fact, I can’t say that about any SS86 figure other than Coronation Starscream.
I remember there were a couple times I was about to start considering Blurr, and Buzzworthy Kup peg warmers, and looking back now, that wasn’t the case for either. And in the grand scheme, neither was even close.

The two SS86 Blasters and one Snarl I saw at my Target this past Sunday were all gone less than 12 hrs later. Now that I’m thinking about it, it was roughly less than 8 hrs.

Now, I’m not sure how important screen accuracy is to those fans of different series, but for G1, it’s a pretty big deal, & Hastak is well aware of this fact.

Sowndwave76 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

SS87 would require Hasbro to incorporate TV shows into the line, at which point I would ask why they would need to do specific year branding anymore? Change the sub brand to Studio Series Animated and open it up to all cartoons. I'd personally love some updated Deluxe Predacons from RID.

Emerje

This type of line, if any, is what I envision replacing SS86.
A subline that continues designs that are as close to characters’ animated appearances as possible.
For one, it’s another landing spot for re-uses of molds with altered decos, and possible slight retooling.
Second, it’s pretty clear these screen-accurate figures sell. I know SS86 Arcee was pegged as a shelf-warmer, but I personally can’t claim that was the case in my area. In fact, I can’t say that about any SS86 figure other than Coronation Starscream.
I remember there were a couple times I was about to start considering Blurr, and Buzzworthy Kup peg warmers, and looking back now, that wasn’t the case for either. And in the grand scheme, neither was even close.

The two SS86 Blasters and one Snarl I saw at my Target this past Sunday were all gone less than 12 hrs later. Now that I’m thinking about it, it was roughly less than 8 hrs.

Now, I’m not sure how important screen accuracy is to those fans of different series, but for G1, it’s a pretty big deal, & Hastak is well aware of this fact.

And therein lies the issue. It's just too much. How many series now have they run? And we are already getting Cyberverse Legaxy figure...that was just like 2 years ago! How is that "Legacy"? I think they will continue with how they are doing it now and once SS86 ends, it will just end. The rabbit hole is just too big.

Once SS86 end, the rest of the G1 characters will continue in the Generations line, as they are currently being made.

SS Gamers will continue for a while but it too, will come to an end.

And after all that, maybe, just maybe, the rest of the AoE Dinobots will finally be made!

First-Aid wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:And therein lies the issue. It's just too much. How many series now have they run? And we are already getting Cyberverse Legaxy figure...that was just like 2 years ago! How is that "Legacy"? I think they will continue with how they are doing it now and once SS86 ends, it will just end. The rabbit hole is just too big.

A legacy is simply anything that's taken place in something's history, there isn't really a time limit. It's not like the line is called Transformers: Retro or Transformers: Nostalgia, right.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Once SS86 end, the rest of the G1 characters will continue in the Generations line, as they are currently being made.

SS Gamers will continue for a while but it too, will come to an end.

And after all that, maybe, just maybe, the rest of the AoE Dinobots will finally be made!

86 is pretty finite, yes, but as long as they keep making games then Gamer Edition, like the original movie line, can continue indefinitely.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:What do we think about the possibility once SS86 ends that it rolls over into Studio Series 87 with new molds of the Headmasters and Targetmasters? The following year could be Studio Series 88 with Powermasters and Pretenders, so on and so forth.

SS87 would require Hasbro to incorporate TV shows into the line, at which point I would ask why they would need to do specific year branding anymore? Change the sub brand to Studio Series Animated and open it up to all cartoons. I'd personally love some updated Deluxe Predacons from RID.

Emerje

Isn't that what all these Generations lines are for?

They can totally make a sub line for Animation accurate repaints, but extending Studio series beyond the 1986 movie to include tv shows seems disingenuous at best.

I mean, how long before Legacy or whatever follows gives us a CC Energon Optimus Prime. It's the only one missing from the Unicorn Trilogy now and the trailer and Prime units definitely require the extra CC budget.