Hasbro Officially Adds Evolution Subtitle to Legacy in 2023 Plus Teases Reveals for Pulscon

Sabrblade wrote:So, Legacy gets its own subline imprint, eh? Been a long time since a "Generations" line had one of those. Or at least, not since there was a line that was actually called "Transformers: Generations", which hasn't been a thing since Thrilling 30.

Since then, we've had lines named "Transformers: Combiner Wars", "Transformers: Titans Return", "Transformers: Power of the Primes" (these three collectively known as the "Prime Wars Trilogy"), "Transformers: Generations Selects", "Transformers: Studio Series", "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy", "Transformers: Siege", "Transformers: Earthrise", "Transformers: Kingdom" (the latter three collectively known as the "War For Cybertron Trilogy", separate from but still affiliated with the aforementioned "Transformers: War For Cybertron Trilogy" toyline), and "Transformers: Legacy".

While folks have often referred these as "Generations" lines, that name has become more of an umbrella term than a formal name ever since it was dropped from the main-series logo beginning with Combiner Wars.

Sure, there have been store-exclusive subseries like "Siege: 30th Anniversary", "Earthrise: Galactic Odyssey Collection", "Kingdom: Golden Disk Collection", "Legacy: Wreck N' Rule Collection", and "Legacy: Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection", but nothing like this across the entire mass retail toyline since "Transformers: Generations - Thrilling 30".

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...

Emerje wrote:

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...

That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.

Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.

Emerje

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...

That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.

Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.

Emerje

When you say remake you mean both games, right? Be weird if they just chose to remake the second game. Though the worst case scenario is Transformers NFTs in the same vein as the power rangers one they did. Despite the market going south, some companies (*cough*Square Enix*cough*) are still pressing forward.

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Emerje wrote:

MeGrimlock78 wrote:Unlikely, but I hope they throw an SS86 Snarl receal in there. Last year, Sludge was revealed right after my Slag pre-order arrived. And my Sludge pre-order just shipped, so the timing is there...

That does seem unlikely since there was no mention of SS in the post, but there's always a chance of surprises.

Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

Actually, a remake of the FOC game would make sense since there was that rumor of the FOC game figures coming to SS and explain the need to mention new artwork.

Emerje

When you say remake you mean both games, right? Be weird if they just chose to remake the second game. Though the worst case scenario is Transformers NFTs in the same vein as the power rangers one they did. Despite the market going south, some companies (*cough*Square Enix*cough*) are still pressing forward.

I think the rumor was actually about the WFC game and I'm just tired...

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?

I hope not, that would be just dumb

-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Emerje wrote:Really curious about that mention of a new partnership with a new "product" and "artwork" which is all pretty vague. Could be literally anything from an art book, to a video game remake to the next crossover figure.

They did seem like they were teasing a Magic: The Gathering collab of some kind in the last TF stream they did, so it may be that?

I hope not, that would be just dumb

They did a MLP collab before so a TF collab is more than likely.
But if you won't buy the thing anyway, why should you care?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

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-Kanrabat- wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

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I do hope you meant that as a "joke".

Sabrblade wrote:And it's not like there hasn't already been a Transformers/Magic: The Gathering collaboration before. Magic previously made a Grimlock card back in 2017:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I found Legacy Soundwave at my local Target this morning. There were 2 on the shelf.
I don’t plan on ever opening my NF version; it all looks pretty awesome in the packaging.
Plus, I’m not going to be completely surprised if we get a SS86 version.
Even though I almost think SS86 Rumble is an attempt to help the re-packed Seige Soundwave mold not seem quite as bad…
I remember Buzzworthy Kup, Cliffjumper, & even SS86 Ironhide.
On top of the fact that Soundwave is a top-tier character.
Doesn’t seem likely that all of the cassettes would get individual Core class releases—
SS86 Soundwave could be Leader class but packing him with Frenzy & Buzzsaw, while Ravage and Laserbeak are packed individually in later Core waves.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I found Legacy Soundwave at my local Target this morning. There were 2 on the shelf.
I don’t plan on ever opening my NF version; it all looks pretty awesome in the packaging.
Plus, I’m not going to be completely surprised if we get a SS86 version.
Even though I almost think SS86 Rumble is an attempt to help the re-packed Seige Soundwave mold not seem quite as bad…
I remember Buzzworthy Kup, Cliffjumper, & even SS86 Ironhide.
On top of the fact that Soundwave is a top-tier character.
Doesn’t seem likely that all of the cassettes would get individual Core class releases—
SS86 Soundwave could be Leader class but packing him with Frenzy & Buzzsaw, while Ravage and Laserbeak are packed individually in later Core waves.

We'll have to wait and see with Soundwave, while we did get a reuse of the vw bee mold, that was in a completely different deco then what we had in the NF line. We have SG Soundwave coming up but that might just mean that the NF Soundwave deco is still locked away.

Basically don't expect ss86 SW but you can be pleasantly surprised if he does happen.

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ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.

There has been zero official announcement, but in the stream that revealed SS Wave 4 and went over Legacy Wave 3 there were a bunch of seemingly random camera effects/flashes of color, Ben from the TF team changed into a shirt featuring the Simic Combine logo in the last 7 minutes or so of the stream, and when asked about the shirt Ben mentioned the color flashes and that he has a background with MTG and said he was "working on something with them, so more to come maybe". That seems like a pretty overt hint to me.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Having done some digging, all I'm coming up with for Transformers mtg is the aforementioned grimlock (which was a hascon exclusive) and an Optimus Prime card that was given to the folk who made the short lived Transformers tcg (the Optimus promo was double sided with one being a normal mtg card frame and the other a Transformers tcg card frame). I've found zip on any official announcement of their being a product like the lord of the rings crossover, the 40k crossover etc etc.

There has been zero official announcement, but in the stream that revealed SS Wave 4 and went over Legacy Wave 3 there were a bunch of seemingly random camera effects/flashes of color, Ben from the TF team changed into a shirt featuring the Simic Combine logo in the last 7 minutes or so of the stream, and when asked about the shirt Ben mentioned the color flashes and that he has a background with MTG and said he was "working on something with them, so more to come maybe". That seems like a pretty overt hint to me.

Oh I never said anything wouldn't come of it, but people were acting like it had already been officially announced like all the other mtg products

Aaarnhide19 wrote:Evolution might be a vague term referring to newer iterations of characters like armada Megatron being an “evolution” of G1 Megatron since they are planning on doing more armada characters for the line.

Emerje wrote:It's the beginning of September which means Hasbro is now ready look forward to their 2023 product lines. Much of that is going to be revealed at the upcoming PulseCon with Hasbro Pulse on Instagram promising Transformers reveals day one on September 30. As part of their announcement they revealed that, after a year of speculation as to why Legacy toys in store computers since wave one have had "Ev" in their names, the 2023 line will officially be called Transformers Legacy: Evolution! How that translates to the actual toys is anyone's guess, but maybe we'll get a clue at the end of the month.

Meanwhile they've also added some other teasers including a "never-before-seen" partnership as well as what is most certainly going to be Shattered Glass Soundwave.

The Instagram posted is copied below:

Fanbots! Get ready to #RollOut with #Transformers on Day 1 of #HasbroPulseCon2022! Join the team on Sept. 30th, as they reveal SO MANY new and cool things! Fine, we'll give you a taste...how about Transformers Legacy: Evolution?! And a new partnership, including the reveal of a never-before-seen product and artwork! Not enough? Well, there's also the raddest final reveal of #ShatteredGlass 2022! You'll just have to tune in and check it out! Click the link in our bio to learn more!

Big thanks to Seibertronian o.supreme for letting us know about this!

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, Legacy Motormaster. Pretty cool, but they definitely should have used CW pegs for the Menasor shoulder connections - even if they had to make clip-on sockets for them (speaking of, would the 3P clowns please make these

SGMLordMirage wrote:Just wanted to share a couple of photos; showing the size comparison between the Legacy Cybertron Universe Metroplex and how he fits in with the other Titan Class i have, to include smaller size characters. Obviously, the others have more mass but the original UT toy was slim, so they kept that slender look for sure.

SGM

Omegatron. wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:So, Legacy Motormaster. Pretty cool, but they definitely should have used CW pegs for the Menasor shoulder connections - even if they had to make clip-on sockets for them (speaking of, would the 3P clowns please make these

Would these do?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).

Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).

Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.

Yeah I suppose, but the printer is doing pretty much all the labor so it's pretty much all markup anyway. lol It would be different if they had a more "hands on" and were actually "casting" molds like we used to have to do in the old days for stuff.

Look I get it there's a market for this 3rd party stuff but if it gets to be too expensive you run the risk or pricing yourself out of said market. With the higher prices of these toys as is I can't fathom adding another $30+ to it for fan made items that cost $3 to make.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I have $36 to spare (Shapeways shipping is ouch).

Not just the shipping. Shapeway also charge production fees. Plus the price of the things themselves is pretty ludicrous.
But eh, that's the price to pay for things that are literally printed one at a time.

Yeah I suppose, but the printer is doing pretty much all the labor so it's pretty much all markup anyway. lol It would be different if they had a more "hands on" and were actually "casting" molds like we used to have to do in the old days for stuff.

Till-all-R1 wrote:Look I get it there's a market for this 3rd party stuff but if it gets to be too expensive you run the risk or pricing yourself out of said market. With the higher prices of these toys as is I can't fathom adding another $30+ to it for fan made items that cost $3 to make.

-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.

I work at a factory. I know how these things works.

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.

I work at a factory. I know how these things works.

I have a 3D printer, there isn't that much labor, the machine does all the work. The commercial machines they're using are made for fast, bulk, semi automated printing. The most labor involved is someone taking it out of the machine and sticking it in a box to mail out. I don't know what their overhead looks like, but it can't be so high that it requires these prices. 3D printing is supposed to be the cheaper alternative to injection molding, but these prices are exceeding that.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:You really don't know how business work. There's LABOR involved. And if it's ONE thing they print specifically for YOU, you must pay the price.
It's a whole different story when things are massed produced by the hundreds or thousands.

I work at a factory. I know how these things works.

I have a 3D printer, there isn't that much labor, the machine does all the work. The commercial machines they're using are made for fast, bulk, semi automated printing. The most labor involved is someone taking it out of the machine and sticking it in a box to mail out. I don't know what their overhead looks like, but it can't be so high that it requires these prices. 3D printing is supposed to be the cheaper alternative to injection molding, but these prices are exceeding that.

Emerje

Overcracker wrote:Don’t know what I’m going to do with the big bulbous energon hands.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:While I do suspect there's a bit too much shareholder overhead in Shapeways' case... You're forgetting that the items aren't being bought in bulk, especially not stuff like Transformers add-ons.
They're mostly being bought in singles or as small lots, by individual consumers. Which means that Shapeways has to either A. use those big commercial printers inefficiently for single-item or small-lot runs, or B. Group different people's purchases together to make more efficient use of the printers... adding the complexity of having to keep track of which items in a given production batch belong to which buyer. Not sure which way works out cheaper for them, but either way does mean extra operating costs.
The ultimate point is, you're not dealing with mass production prices here. So even with the annoying factory middleman pricing from Shapeways, it is still cheaper than injection molding would be for the same purpose.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Overcracker wrote:Don’t know what I’m going to do with the big bulbous energon hands.

I came up with this.

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Emerje wrote:I'd love to see them breakdown exactly where these expenses are coming from.

Emerje