High Definition Images of Wheeljack, Arcee, Cliffjumper and More from Bumblebee Movie

I was originally typing that I thought I might have saw Jazz beside Ironhide in the Cybertron scene since I came across a very clear recording of the Cybertron battle on youtube but watching it again I'm pretty sure it was Wheeljack considering that Ironhide was next to him in his scene, the camera panned so fast the blurred screenshot sort of made it look like Jazz's silhouette.

Could of also been one of the generic Autobots we saw on Cybertron since there is a white one at the front of the group you briefly see during Wheeljack's part that gets blown up when Optimus makes his jumping entrance above the guy.

But speaking of them I think the guy who gets blown up and flips around in the air before landing on the ground right before Brawn's scene was Huffer possibly.

He has the same mostly purple with orange color scheme and he seems to have a big orange back (not as big as the G1 cartoon/toy Huffer but still a bit of kibble that could be the Huffer hood)

Also the blue Autobot that's behind Brawn during his bit actually might be female since her waist, "metal underwear" and legs resemble the more..."shapely" look that female Autobots like Arcee have, I have a good screenshot of that but I'm not going to post them due to site rules and respect to Paramount/Hasbro.

I can't wait for the HD public release so we can scourge the Cybertron scenes for good shots and see if there is anymore cameos.

While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

I mean what do people expect digitally created colorful toy robots to look on the big screen?

Like real Transformers?

This is why we had the metal plate "insect" faces of the previous Transformers Bay films because it's less uncanny and unnatural looking then humanoid faces especially ones that are not fully human looking like robots with metal human faces.

This is why that if this is a "reboot" and they continue down that they keep Bee's face as it is since A:It makes him standout from other Transformers instead of having the same metal face as the others. B:It would be less cute if he had a face that was more like Cliffjumper, like this one.

hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids

Ultra Markus wrote:

hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids

To be fair most of the time C-3PO and R2-D2 were acted using actual on set costumes so they were pretty convincing.

CGI Battle droids and the like I can give you.

Deadput wrote:

Ultra Markus wrote:

hausjam wrote:While these would look aweome in a cgi only full length war for cybertron movie (which I am sure would cost way too much for them to ever make) in this live action universe, they look ridiculous and out of place. It was clearly a hastily done, shameless nostalgia trip.

compared to the droids you see in starwars these characters are done pretty well not shameless
and everybody loves starwars and the droids you never hear of how fake and lazy CP30 was done
this is no different to the quality of starwars droids

To be fair most of the time C-3PO and R2-D2 were acted using actual on set costumes so they were pretty convincing.

CGI Battle droids and the like I can give you.

thats what i was getting at the cgi battle droids were good for starwars nobody really complained
this is no different

Ultra Markus wrote:thats what i was getting at the cgi battle droids were good for starwars nobody really complained
this is no different

I mean I would say that Stat Wars is "famous" for it's bad CG over practical effects and the negative reception to those.

So nobody lost their sh*t when they saw your favorite G1 Characters looking like Transformers onscreen?

It was amazing man, Holy crap, Arcee, looking like Arcee. It's not a shameless nostalgia trip bank whatever. It's Transformers, what a Transformers movie should be about.

The 5 movies we got should've been re-imaginations with their art-house weird designs. And after 5 real Transformers movies. They should not've been the start.

Anyway back to positive. I do feel like this has been decided lateron in the production of the movie seeing a lot of people are sick and tired of Transformers not being Transformers (and more like Skyrim in the last movie). That they chanced back to the roots (where one should start)

Loved it, tuesday going to see it again with the fiance

Who said the movie should look like G1 in the first place? I mean it's not like they haven't changed styles at all during the thirty years run, and banking on nostalgia only works for so long.


To settle this, I propose that Hasbro reboot the series with the next film and use a different style completely. Not the one used before, and not this one. The style should be constantly changing as much as the toystgo from one mode to another. I mean Transformers is all about change,why do we fear it so?

ZeroWolf wrote:Who said the movie should look like G1 in the first place? I mean it's not like they haven't changed styles at all during the thirty years run, and banking on nostalgia only works for so long.

To settle this, I propose that Hasbro reboot the series with the next film and use a different style completely. Not the one used before, and not this one. The style should be constantly changing as much as the toystgo from one mode to another. I mean Transformers is all about change,why do we fear it so?

To be fair the G1 crowd hasn't had a live action G1 styled live action film yet while we have had 10 years and 5 films of Bayformers so I'd say it's fair to have one more film with this style for them, and with the likely hood Bumblebee doesn't do so well in the box office Paramount/Hasbro are gonna have to since we need a big hit Transformers film for the franchise's future, so it needs to make money and we need 3 things to make it happen.

1: Give the aesthetic that draws in the biggest crowd and hence the most money, that aesthetic so happens to be the G1 stuff over anything else in the franchise. (Is Transformers Prime or Armada anywhere near as beloved?)

2: They need to have a good movie with a good plot and a good ensemble cast, this is where the originality can sort of start to peak without going to far from the G1 image, the best thing to do is have 7 Autobots against another group of Decepticons you can mix up well known characters like Prime, Bee and Jazz with more obscure guys like Hot Shot or Metalhawk same goes for Decepticons, story wise it's best to keep things simple so no end of the world plots or magic Macguffins

3: They need to have a better premier date, Bumblebee going up against Aquaman, Spiderverse, Mary Poppins, etc has probably hurt this movie's sales bad.


Alienating the G1 crowd with both it's unfamiliar character designs compared to their counterparts (Not the aesthetic just that characters like say Ironhide don't look anything like the G1 guy) combined with the over complicated and juvenile save the world plots that's been the plot for all 5 movies is part of why the Bay films stopped working as we have seen with the dropping box office and poor critical reception.

There is no reason why the Bumblebee movie couldn't be a fresh reboot itself, outside of Bumblebee with his design and Sector 7 the biggest things tying to the Bay films is dealt with by the end of the movie, the Allspark and Megatron aren't mentioned leaving their fates open to being dealt with differently in a later movie and the ending has Optimus as well as 7 Autobots arriving on Earth at the end of the film which already breaks continuity with the 2007 film alone.


What other Transformers aesthetic would Hasbro/Paramount even possibly come up with, anything is just going to resemble the "realistic" Bayverse type designs whether they be more "Car wraps around the Transformers skeleton" or boxy style G1 type looks, that's always been the case Transformers changes how the stories happen and the cast but the actual style of Transformers has never changed that much, it's always the Autobots vs the Decepticons (Or groups with similar roles like the Maximals vs the Predacons) the aesthetic of Transformers only has two different styles:

The original boxy toy like looks such as G1 or the Unicron Trilogy or the more stylized curvy (as well as mostly toy design unfriendly) looks of the movies and Transformers Prime.

Only Transformers Animated sort of denies this by being a stylized cartoon style that is basically a combination of the other two styles and this wouldn't work for a live action movie.

No popular franchise can "change" that damn drastic without losing the audience and it's identity, your idea is possibly the worse thing Hasbro/Paramount can do, yes even worse then sticking with the Bayverse continuity which itself is probably an awful move.

This ideas basically what crippled Star Wars as a franchise with The Last Jedi, because it changed so much and even worse "disrespected" a lot of what came before like Luke god damn Skywalker the hero of that franchise.

The Marvel movies can take what's familiar, change it slightly and make good plots and make that work why can't Transformers?


You change it so much and what makes it Transformers anymore besides robots transforming into vehicles? Literally no other franchise does this.

Regarding the marvel movies, phase 4 will be interesting to see as there's no more iron man, no captain America, who knows his much longer there will be a hulk unless Mark has more films left on his contract.

Why does this franchise have such issues with change? G1 itself went through several iterations, it allowed itself to change. It's very hard to feel nostalgia for something that never goes away. Also if this movie doesn't perform to expectations, this will become a prequel in all. After all, megs wasnt allowed to be in the movie

ZeroWolf wrote:Regarding the marvel movies, phase 4 will be interesting to see as there's no more iron man, no captain America, who knows his much longer there will be a hulk unless Mark has more films left on his contract.

Why does this franchise have such issues with change? G1 itself went through several iterations, it allowed itself to change. It's very hard to feel nostalgia for something that never goes away. Also if this movie doesn't perform to expectations, this will become a prequel in all. After all, megs wasnt allowed to be in the movie

Yeah but the core of the franchise never did change so drastically it was always a faction of good guys vs a faction of bad guys with some familiar characters or character archetypes in the line up. (Cheetor and Hot Shot were basically Bumblebee with a different name and slightly different looks.)

I mean if Bee fails then we don't get another movie for a long time in general so it doesn't matter.

Doesn't take a genius to know that making Bumblebee the first film in a reboot and having sequels take a similar (not exactly the same) direction would be the most profitable thing to do instead of rebooting to a whole new non G1 style after teasing fans and the casual audience with that style.

Plus whatever happens the next film whenever it's made and regardless if it continues on from Bumblebee or they reset with a fresh reboot it will obviously still be using some of the G1 stuff since putting that stuff in the Bee trailers is probably what drew a lot of people into the film.

It all depends if the teases translates into tickets sold. I'm hoping word of mouth does its work, but given when Paramount released... I'm expecting them to have written it off and begun working on the prime origin movie as a reboot to tie into the hasbro movie verse... I hope they've learned the lessons from the Dark Universe and the good tips of the mcu.

ZeroWolf wrote:It all depends if the teases translates into tickets sold. I'm hoping word of mouth does its work, but given when Paramount released... I'm expecting them to have written it off and begun working on the prime origin movie as a reboot to tie into the hasbro movie verse... I hope they've learned the lessons from the Dark Universe and the good tips of the mcu.

Outside of Rom and Mask I personally don't think that many of the other Hasbro toy properties work with Transformers.

And I only say Mask due to the characters there making their vehicles using Transformers tech is a pretty good way to tie those two franchises together.


I never want to see Visionaries with Transformers ever again.

Gi Joe will be the biggest one, as they have had a shared history for a long time now. Plus it's easy to explain the very advanced tech Cobra have if they got it from the cons.

Well I saw a thread on another site about what they would change about the Bumblebee film and it got me thinking about what I would of done this is assuming this movie is a reboot, I wouldn't drastically change the plot or remove any scenes besides the part where Bee Goes all "evil iron giant" on those soldiers or at least tone it down to just have him be angry and about to go violent but Charlie calms him down before he does in a call back to the 2007 film where Sam calms Bee down after S7 free him. and also the one brief, minor bit where shirtless, popular guy from Charlie's school and the mean girl are acting flirty since it didn't add anything to the plot and it was the one scene that made me uncomfortable alongside the part where said girl is eating a corndog which gave me weird vibes although it could just be me.

The following contains some spoilers for the movie might seem like I'm talking about 20-40 minutes of stuff but all of the Cybertron stuff is only another 10 or so minutes on top of the existing 3 minutes, it goes by fast like the actual movie and a lot of the details are brief.

I loved the Cybertron scene although I would of liked a little more context to what was going on and showing more of how the Autobots were this small scaled Resistance and how bad their situation is, so I would of started with a "recreation" of the opening scene to the G1 cartoon where we see Wheeljack and Bumblebee stealthily stealing some energy conductors from a Decepticon base because Wheeljack needs them to fuel the escape pods that the Autobots use in the film while, they have colorful banter and stuff to establish their personalities like Wheeljack explaining why they can't use an Ark class ship due to Bee complaining about using the cramped up pods, Bumblebee would accidentally alert the Decepticons to their presence and the two go on the run in a fast paced Cybertronian car chase by a few Decepticon cars who's designs are inspired by the Battle chargers and have various different colors and heads such as Battlecharger heads, heads with proper faces and TFP/FOC Vehicon heads, that are led by an Earth Wars inspired Barricade, he wouldn't be a big part of the film only on Cybertron just to sorta feed that whole Bee/Cade rivalry that uh wasn't really obvious in Bay's films, Wheeljack would be pulling a sort of Cybertronian truck bed with a laser turret to carry the conductors and Bee that he would use to take out most of the pressures outside of Barricade who gets injured similar to when Bee shot Barricade in TLK, that would sort of homage Wheeljack's van turret without the whole weird scale thing of Bee being inside Wheeljack. The car chase would feature Velicitron inspired ramps and stuff with the Decepticons creatively switching between robot and alt mode to gain the advantage.


Mean while we see Optimus entering a small and hidden underground outpost located in Iacon right by the with an open entrance and guarded by a couple Autobot grunts (Their colors and general appearance are inspired by Autobot redshirt characters Deadguy and Cannonfodder with more G1-like designs and are named as such as well, the only named generics here.) walking past and taking note of the Autobots in the big but narrow hall way he's in and occasionally greeting some of the Autobots which includes the Autobots that we see in the film in addition to a few others like a complaining Huffer and a cheerful Hound who uses a Cybertron-edited version of the Jeep Bumblebee design with different colors, head and shoulder gun, it would cut back between happy down time perspectives such as a group of Autobots drinking some "Energon/Nucleon/Oil" stuff including one with a face plate pouring it in some hole/port on his shoulder or chest to cynical ones where Autobots are in despair or discussing about how their losing and how their all going to die, to wounded Autobots being treated by Ratchet and a couple assistants of his (With colors schemes inspired by Ratchet redecos such as one having the colors of the two movie Ratchets decos) but witnessing one of the patients dying with Ratchet at his side would sadden Prime and would somberly comfort the medic and giving his condolences which would establish how close of a bond Prime shares with his soldiers and establishing character before moving on to the room at the back of the hall which is being guarded by Ironhide and Brawn to show that it's an "important" room.

Optimus would enter the room to talk to his 3 top lieutenants among the group Prowl, Cliffjumper, Jazz (He hasn't been on the big screen since 2007 so it would be nice to see him as well as be buddies with Cliff.), and they would discuss the Autobot's lack of resources, Wheeljack and their plans to leave Cybertron and establish a base on another planet and Prowl (Who would be a notable presence in this scene because he hasn't been in a movie yet so establishing his logical personality and being Primes second in command would be a nice on screen character establishment for him, also the Earth Wars inspired Barricade shares the same body as him with a different head which saves on budget the same way that Bee/Cliff, Ironhide/Ratchet and the Seekers do.) after going through a list of planets that Jazz's Special Ops group has monitored name dropping Perceptor with some planets having names of various planets from the franchise like Nebulos and Charr with a notable line about not going to the planet Quintessa due to the bad "judging" from the inhabitants despite it being known as "The planet of life", Prowl finally pulls up Earth and Optimus chooses it due to having a "gut feeling" that it would be the best place, the 4 Autobots debate over who to send with Cliffjumper suggesting Bumblebee, with the planet and scout decided Optimus contacts a rather beat up Ultra Magnus in a hologram (White recolor of this film's Optimus but with a face instead of a face plate, voice by Micheal Ironside) who is leading the rest of the Autobots at the Iacon capital (that Arcee mentions in the actual film) to cause a distraction so that Prime's Autobots can leave, he's not on screen for long but establishes his loyalty and friendship to Prime as well as his sense of duty.

Afterwards we cut back to Deadguy and Cannonfodder who are engaged in a Red vs Blue inspired conversation about their importance or rather their lack of it in the Resistance compared to heroes like Ironhide and Ultra Magnus as well as how awesome Optimus Prime is when Deadguy decides to stretch to prevent stiff gears due to being in his words "Being still for a whole slagging mega-cycle" Cannonfodder tells him to get down with Deadguy scoffing at him confidently stating that with Optimus and other Autobot big shots around around there is no way he could die just as he's sniped in the head by one of many Deceptions in a big army approaching the base with Shockwave at the forefront, Cannonfodder would panic and run into the base without closing the gate and alerts the other Autobots to the Decepticons presence just as he's shot in the back by Shockwave leaving a huge hole in his torso as the young Autobot lifelessly collapses into the arms of Prime as the latter reacts in distraught and orders the Autobots to retreat to the nearby launch pad and contacts Wheeljack and Bumblebee telling them to meet them there, when a generic Autobot asks how they were found the camera pans to one of the "lampposts" with a close up of the Decepticon symbol on it as it transforms into Soundwave kills the Autobot.

With the Autobots on the run and Decepticons in pursuit, Optimus makes a bold plan to cut off their pursuers by blowing up a large bridge after crossing it, they do so with the land base Decepticons being cut off Shockwave orders Starscream to send his Seekers to bombard them, instead of going himself he sends his second in command Blitzwing who is introduced in this scene interrogating an Autobot straggler with the same body type as Bumblebee (Different colors and head), with the Autobot refusing to give information Blitzwing takes his optics before killing him. (Blitzwing has a hobby of robbing Autobots of an important body part and letting them suffer before killing his victim) so Blitzwing leads the Seekers that we see in the beginning of the film but also including the Seekers from the first episode of the cartoon Sunstorm, Hotlink and Bitstream (I'll get to them later) in an assault bombing fleeing Autobots and pinning them at the location the Autobots are at the beginning of the actual movie, with the Autobots setting up good positions to shoot down the flyers the Decepticon Seekers are forced to land on ground and engage in a fire fight that is mostly equal sides although it takes a turn for the worse when Sunstorm's group set up on a good flanking ledge and rain fire down on the Autobots...literally as Hotlink uses a gun that shoots flames in grenade/mortar like projectiles so not a straight up flamethrower like in the original episode.

As the Autobots are dealing with the chaos, Wheeljack and Bumblebee are almost at the launch pad when it turns out their current route is leading them straight towards where the Seeker squad is, however the 3 Seekers notice them and attack the two in a similar matter to the similar situation in the G1 cartoon, there would be a funny bit here where Bitstream orders Sunstorm to melt those Autobots down only to be met with Hotlink's sarcastic retort that "I'm the one who actually shoots fire around here in the first place remember." Thanks to the firepower Wheeljack and Bumblebee are forced down to where the other Autobots are and the two catch up with Prime and discuss about getting the conductors to the pods but being unable to due to the Decepticons firepower, Bumblebee gets an idea about going around and attacking them from behind, although concerned about Bee's safety Optimus agrees to the idea due to the lack of options and Bee transforms to vehicle mode and heads off to the seekers, seeing the Autobot leave the group Blitzwing realizes what he's going to do and heads off alone to stop him, after a brief air chase Bumblebee out smarts him by driving up a wall using magnetic wheels, transforming and landing on top of the Decepticon's tetra jet form he "jet judos" the Seeker second in command right into a wall sort of like what he did to Skyquake in Transformers Prime, afterwards he continues on his way saying "Thanks for the trick Windcharger." (Also yes the Decepticon Seeker that Bee pushes off the ledge at the beginning of the film is Hotlink and the two other Seekers he knocks a side is Sunstorm an Bitstream.)

Afterwards is where the actual film begins with the Decepticons breaking through the front lines and the Autobots losing contact with the Capital, only changes here is that right before Brawn's bit where he gets shot we see Acid Storm take a lucky shot at Prowl who's mouth foams orange smoke from the corrosive shot he doesn't die immediately and Ratchet tries to help him with Prowl visibly moving and squirming in pain although we don't get to see if he actually dies leaving his fate ambiguous so on one hand it homages the 1986 film yet leaves room for Prowl in the future, also somewhere during when the Autobots are first pinned we get a bit with Cliffjumper, Hound, Arcee and Jazz with them partaking in friendly banter, the short scene sort of focuses on Cliff most since he's the subject of the conversation since he pulls out a movie version of the giant gun he had from the first G1 episode out of nowhere and takes a dangerous position to take out some grouped up Decepticons, the other 3 Autobots sort of jokingly tease him about his reckless fighting style stating that something like that is going to kill him someday ( )

Another difference is that in this version of the film Cliffjumper is assigned with Bumblebee as his body guard and partner and the two go to Earth, several pods are shown going in groups with one of those being Ironhide, Ratchet and Jazz as a callback to the 2007 cast. So after the pods take off we cut back to the Decepticons who are regrouping and killing off any Autobot stragglers, this is our first proper introduction to Shatter and Dropkick who are taking on a big Autobot (Think of the big brutes with the shields, hammers and back weak spot from WFC) the two use team work and trickery/manipulation to take him down, afterwards the two walk back to the gathering Decepticons notably Shockwave, Soundwave, Starscream, Blitzwing, Acid Storm Thundercracker, Skywarp, Sunstorm, Bitstream and Barricade and discuss how to proceed the fleeing Autobots, Shockwave decides to have Seekers chase the pods instead of wasting warship fleets to conserve resources, Blitzwing having being mocked by his fellow Seekers for his humiliating defeat at Bumblebee's hand with Starscream rubbing salt in the wound by demoting him and replacing him with Acid Storm publicly and out loud the embarrassed ex-second in command picks Bumblebee's pod to hunt and leaves Cybertron in hot pursuit while most of the other Seekers pick their own targets, afterwards when the Decepticons start heading back to their headquarters in Kaon Shockwave who is still monitoring the pods notices that the ones belonging to Bee and Cliff are heading in a drastically different direction then the other Autobots and asks for volunteers to join to track them due to suspicions that the Autobots have some big plan, Barricade confidently volunteers first and the movie initially makes you think he will be the one to go but is turned down by Shockwave who states he needs someone who is actually reliable (Thundercracker and Skywarp snicker at the Decepticop's expense) with Shatter who volunteers herself and Dropkick, Shockwave lets the two take his personal shuttle.

And that's the end of the Cybertron stuff.

Bumlebee and Cliffjumper land on Earth where Jack Burns and the other Sector 7 agents are doing their training, the two Autobots land in different spots and are pursued by two different Sector 7 squads with Agent Burns actually calling in the Air Force this time, Cliffjumper spots the quarry and tells Bumblebee to meet him there, Cliffjumper unlike Bee does not scan an Earth vehicle and as such has trouble driving on the bumpy dirt road, so as in the movie Bumblebee gets cut off from escaping into the quarry tunnel although this time after S7 surround him Cliff shows up from behind and aggressively tells them to put their weapons down although Burns refuses directly challenging the trigger happy Autobot although through his words Bumblebee calms them both down and after making it clear that neither of them want to hurt the humans Burns orders his men to put his weapons down and calls off the Air Force, one of the pilots replies that their detecting an unknown bogie approaching from the atmosphere and at that moment they are taken out by Blitzwing after scanning one of the planes he proceeds to destroy all of them in a scene similar to Starscream taking out F-22's in the 2007 film, afterwards the movie proceeds very much the same with Blitzwing taking out the S7 forces as well as knocking out Cliffjumper who took the brunt of the damage shielding Bumblebee, the Blitzwing fight proceeds the same except after Blitz throws Bee off the cliff and comes down to finish him off Cliffjumper wakes up in time and shoots Blitzwing in the chest with his Glass gas gun. With Blitzwing enraged and distracted Bumblebee does the whole blowing him up with his own missile thing, this time Blitzwing's remains such as his head are more intact, after checking up on his heavily wounded comrade Cliffjumper hears Shatter attempting to contact Blitzwing from the dead Seeker's "radio" and how she detected his signal but has lost contact and is on her way, Cliffjumper and a limping Bumblebee attempt to make their way out of the area but after a few steps Bumblebee falls down and scans the Beetle before waking up one last time to awkwardly Transform into it (I was confused about what happened in the actual movie and how he ended up in the junk yard).

Cliffjumper in a rush takes the form of a red Porche 924 Turbo and tows the unconscious Bumblebee as the sun sets, when he detects the Decepticon's ship near where they are he is forced to hide Bumblebee in a ditch and split up so they don't both get caught and makes the cons chase him, the next day "Uncle Hank" (the guy who gives Charlie Bee) comes across the VW while he's on a drive and arranges to take the abandoned car back to his junkyard, several months pass and we go to Charlie's perspective and life just like the movie and all proceeds the same until she activates Bee's radio where we cut to Shatter and Dropkick who use the ship to contact Shockwave (ala the G1 cartoon screen and all) who have traced Cliffjumper to a closed factory at night time the cyclopean Decepticon tells them of his plan to use a space bridge to send the rest of the Decepticons to Earth to loot it of it's resources but needs specific coordinates from a powerful enough transmission source to be able to accurately use the bridge, the Autobot who's been on the run all this time has devised a trap made from human materials and plans to ambush the two Decepticons then go back for Bumblebee, his reckless plan goes well at first with him managing to catch Shatter, blow up the Decepticons ship leaving them without a means of contact and goes to town with Dropkick using a red version of the hammer that Bumblebee used in TLK and beats him to near death but just as he's raising his arm to deliver the final blow Shatter having freed herself cuts off his arm, the Cliffjumper interrogation and death scene goes exactly the same way as the actual film except on Earth this time and not on Saturn's moon, afterwards the Decepticons scavenge parts from Shockwave's ship and Shatter upgrades her and Dropkick with flight tech which is why they can triple change to air vehicles.


After this point there isn't much difference from the actual movie except for a brief scene inside the Sector 7 base in Hoover Dam where Shatter and Dropkick come across the remains of Blitzwing and Cliffjumper that S7 has recovered, Shatter has a conversation with Agent Burns explaining that while he was also a "Peacekeeper" Blitzwing was a violent, disobedient contract freelancer loosely associated with their forces, she also explains that Cliffjumper was one of the most vile warlords on their planet and is the reason that the otherwise friendly Bumblebee is such a bad guy having corrupted the young soldier who she says was a former "Peacekeeper" cadet prior and that she's trying to capture him so she can deliver him to the Decepticon authorities for his own good so they can help him, while Burns doesn't believe her because of the contradictions to his previous interaction with the 3 Transformers he goes along with the plan anyways due to wanting to protect Earth.


The Cybertron hologram flashback would be the same except after crashing the Seeker he is riding to the ground Optimus gets harassed by Ramjet, Dirge and Thrust who at this point aren't Coneheads but he wipes the floor with them with ease, Starscream arrives afterwards mocking the 3 Seekers lackluster performance calling them a bunch of "Coneheads", Soundwave ejects Ravage and the scene continues on like normal.


After this the film and final is the same until the end during the battle Dropkick taunts Bee about Cliff's death and waves his Glass Gas gun around, after he chains up Dropkick with the latter taunting him about the chains being unable to do anything to him Bee picks up the gun and shoots the Decepticon with it before tearing the scared Decepticon who pleads for his life despite him not sparing anyone himself, apart with the chains, Bee sadly stating afterwards with the radio that killing him was for his friend but that he must save his new friend, after Bumblebee shoots the "wall" behind Shatter, floods the area and getting "saved" by Charlie it seems all is alright until a heavily damaged Shatter ambushes them easily knocking down the tired out Autobot and crushes the Glass Gas gun at the cost of it "shattering" her hand, as she prepares to execute the Autobot once more, a voice sounds out from nearby asking her to lay down her weapon and surrender, as the recently arriving Optimus Prime approaches them Bumblebee takes advantage of a refusing and distracted Shatter kicking her away however he accidentally kicks her towards Charlie who Shatter takes as a hostage, as the Decepticon angrily raves on about her cause as well as how nothing will stop them since the Decepticons already know where Earth is and will arrive one day regardless, Optimus again tries to reason with her but to no avail, as it looks like there is nothing they can do Agent Burns shoots Shatter from behind with a rocket which causes her to drop Charlie, as the Decepticon raises her weapon to kill the Agent, Optimus shoots her as he notes with regret that despite all of the things she has done under the Decepticon name he would of still accepted her surrender.

Optimus then formerly meets Charlie and Jack Burns who apologizes to Bumblebee about hunting him and admits that he was wrong about him, he also lets the two Autobots know that they have Cliffjumper's body although it's impossible for him to give it to them since the rest of S7 still assume that Autobots and Decepticons are the same, just like the movie Burns lets them go and salutes Bee.

Optimus, Bumblebee and Charlie head to the San Francisco bridge where nearby Optimus Prime has hidden a trailer that within contains Teletraan 1 which he will use to call other Autobots to Earth he leaves Bumblebee and Charlie alone so that the two can say their goodbyes afterwards the two Autobots head out together (Bee still scans the Camaro)

The scene with Bee and Prime at the forest is slightly different, a set up Telatraan 1 is set up in the background, while Bumblebee asks how he got off Cybertron Prime just says he will tell him at another time and then thanks him for defending Earth and the two watch the other Autobots arrive.

A new after credits scene, S7 scientists are developing cryo-freezing equipment inspired by Cliffjumper's Glas Gas gun as well as conducting energy experiments on the remains of Blitzwing who is hooked up to a intricate machine using the same tech as S7's Electric guns, after a few tests with no results they go with a higher voltage and Blitzwing's optics briefly light up going from scared and pained to a hateful rage before shutting back off.

The End.

My god I spent 5-6 hours writing this. (Can I get a writing job yet? I just need a Proofreader lol)

I don't think you need Blitzwing to survive, in fact you could easily set up the Dinobots in a scene like that, where they discuss the Cybertronian tech as a way to revive these mysterious dinosaur machines they found. Sometimes it's okay if villains stay dead

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't think you need Blitzwing to survive, in fact you could easily set up the Dinobots in a scene like that, where they discuss the Cybertronian tech as a way to revive these mysterious dinosaur machines they found. Sometimes it's okay if villains stay dead

Normally I would agree however I had an idea for the character, I talked about it else where on here but basically Sector 7 has ambitions plans to build their own Transformer by using the remains for Blitzwing, Shatter, Dropkick (As well as Cliffjumper in this version) as well as prototype plane and and tank parts, while they can mostly build the robot they have trouble activation him, this is where a rogue Decepticon "mad scientist" comes in, someone like Flatline from ROTF who gives S7 the knowledge to complete him.

So they activate him only to find that Blitzwing has taken hold of the machine instead of it being a mindless drone, however due to being put together sloppily with a bunch of different Transformers he is unstable and constantly switches between his personality, Shatter's calm and collected and Dropkick's simple minded trigger happy, murderous personality, the only thing he can focus on is getting revenge on Bumblebee for both his role in his death as well as his earlier humiliation on Cybertron.

However he has trouble due to the constant switches of personality making it difficult to formulate a plan and stick with it, matter worse he find out after attempting to kill Bumblebee once that Cliffjumper's influence prevents him from actually killing him no matter how much he tries to resist this would further drive Blitzwing insane as he becomes a "tragic" character so that the audience can be sympathetic to his plight yet still view him as a villain due to still being a bad guy at heart.

He uses super heat weapons inspired from Dropkick as well as a cryo based weapons which are based off the Sector 7 research into cryo freezing they based off of Cliffjumpers Glass Gas gun. (One thing I forgot to mention in my "script" above is Dropkick letting the humans experiment with Cliff's gun out of pride for his trophy and not so subtly showing off his "superiority" to the humans since he gets used to the humans praising how advance he is so he also shows off his "goop" gun)

I thought of this idea with inspiration from the G1, Animated and IDW versions of the character since I thought introducing a proper Blitzwing would make up for one of the more controversial things this film had with his design in Bumblebee looking more like Starscream as well as giving him a bigger role as well.

Him being a human built triple changer would mean he could have his G1 "unrealistic" Tan and purple colors as well as not turning into an actual jet (which has some elements of his Bee film jet) and tank makes it so Hasbro wouldn't have to worry as much about vehicle licensing costs and dealing with triple changer kibble and making it work as a toy since their not real vehicles.

I am intrigued with the idea to offer a homage to Animated Blitzwing, that part of the franchise doesn't get near enough love as it should. Also good luck if you are trying yourself out as a writer, it's hard work but very rewarding when it works out

Deadput wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Who said the movie should look like G1 in the first place? I mean it's not like they haven't changed styles at all during the thirty years run, and banking on nostalgia only works for so long.

To settle this, I propose that Hasbro reboot the series with the next film and use a different style completely. Not the one used before, and not this one. The style should be constantly changing as much as the toystgo from one mode to another. I mean Transformers is all about change,why do we fear it so?

To be fair the G1 crowd hasn't had a live action G1 styled live action film yet while we have had 10 years and 5 films of Bayformers so I'd say it's fair to have one more film with this style for them, and with the likely hood Bumblebee doesn't do so well in the box office Paramount/Hasbro are gonna have to since we need a big hit Transformers film for the franchise's future, so it needs to make money and we need 3 things to make it happen.

1: Give the aesthetic that draws in the biggest crowd and hence the most money, that aesthetic so happens to be the G1 stuff over anything else in the franchise. (Is Transformers Prime or Armada anywhere near as beloved?)

2: They need to have a good movie with a good plot and a good ensemble cast, this is where the originality can sort of start to peak without going to far from the G1 image, the best thing to do is have 7 Autobots against another group of Decepticons you can mix up well known characters like Prime, Bee and Jazz with more obscure guys like Hot Shot or Metalhawk same goes for Decepticons, story wise it's best to keep things simple so no end of the world plots or magic Macguffins

3: They need to have a better premier date, Bumblebee going up against Aquaman, Spiderverse, Mary Poppins, etc has probably hurt this movie's sales bad.


Alienating the G1 crowd with both it's unfamiliar character designs compared to their counterparts (Not the aesthetic just that characters like say Ironhide don't look anything like the G1 guy) combined with the over complicated and juvenile save the world plots that's been the plot for all 5 movies is part of why the Bay films stopped working as we have seen with the dropping box office and poor critical reception.

There is no reason why the Bumblebee movie couldn't be a fresh reboot itself, outside of Bumblebee with his design and Sector 7 the biggest things tying to the Bay films is dealt with by the end of the movie, the Allspark and Megatron aren't mentioned leaving their fates open to being dealt with differently in a later movie and the ending has Optimus as well as 7 Autobots arriving on Earth at the end of the film which already breaks continuity with the 2007 film alone.


What other Transformers aesthetic would Hasbro/Paramount even possibly come up with, anything is just going to resemble the "realistic" Bayverse type designs whether they be more "Car wraps around the Transformers skeleton" or boxy style G1 type looks, that's always been the case Transformers changes how the stories happen and the cast but the actual style of Transformers has never changed that much, it's always the Autobots vs the Decepticons (Or groups with similar roles like the Maximals vs the Predacons) the aesthetic of Transformers only has two different styles:

The original boxy toy like looks such as G1 or the Unicron Trilogy or the more stylized curvy (as well as mostly toy design unfriendly) looks of the movies and Transformers Prime.

Only Transformers Animated sort of denies this by being a stylized cartoon style that is basically a combination of the other two styles and this wouldn't work for a live action movie.

No popular franchise can "change" that damn drastic without losing the audience and it's identity, your idea is possibly the worse thing Hasbro/Paramount can do, yes even worse then sticking with the Bayverse continuity which itself is probably an awful move.

This ideas basically what crippled Star Wars as a franchise with The Last Jedi, because it changed so much and even worse "disrespected" a lot of what came before like Luke god damn Skywalker the hero of that franchise.

The Marvel movies can take what's familiar, change it slightly and make good plots and make that work why can't Transformers?


You change it so much and what makes it Transformers anymore besides robots transforming into vehicles? Literally no other franchise does this.

You keep telling yourself that if that what help you sleep at night go for it I have been saying it for years thanks to bay he made transformers popular again he did what cartoons, comics could never do NEW TRANSFORMER FANS do not watch cartoons do not read comics think about this they animated transformer movie who do you think will see it besides kids people on these you can have kick ass story but if movie is animated cartoon new transformer fans WILL NOT SEE IT they do not watch cartoons and read comics they like live action shit how do I know this some of my family members and other coworkers and customers get that in your head Maybe if you old fans try talking to new fans you to will know this they like live action,.

Coworker he loves marvel movies butt he did not and will not go see Spider-Man in SPIDER-VERSE movie why it’s animated he likes live action not animated that is exactly how new transformer fans think not live action they will not bother unless they have little kids and that adult will be on phone you people

Me I like movie but prime being red semi truck look extreamly cartoony I have never ever saw red semi truck driving on road I even like he touch they added with bumblebee in scene almost gave me goosebumps thatsbwas Best throw back and when I brought the touch song in bumblebee movie to my cousin and fathers find out what I’m talking about do you hunk they will see animated movie to know ohhhh no they like live action not cartoons 2d or 3D cartoon they will not watch they love marvel movies but I am only one in my family who saw Spider-Man animated movie no likes animated get it through

dragons, talking to a handful of people and getting their opinions does not make it fact.

If new fans don't watch cartoons, why do they keep producing them?

If new fans don't read comics, where did all the new members come from to discuss the comics?

Just because YOU don't see it happening, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

*joins the thread because I have now seen the movie*

Excellent. It's a 9-10/10 for me. Wanna rewatch it to kinda grasp everything, but wow. Super good. Bravo. ALPHA Bravo. That Cybertron scene was so good. I wanna see a whole movie like that. And Optimus.. hoo boy. His design is awesome.

...now, can I talk about spoilers in this thread, or no? Cuz I have a few specifics I'd like to chat about.

SillyMcGilly wrote:...now, can I talk about spoilers in this thread, or no? Cuz I have a few specifics I'd like to chat about.

Spoiler thread.

Love the new Cybertron designs especially Wheeljack But wow...Arcee has a creepy mannequin vibe. Still hope she gets a studio series toy

Did anyone see this in the Dolby cinema or Imax 3D? It was only in 3d and standard here in Kansas City.

Just seen the movie, I've gotta say: They've finally learned from all their past mistakes. Thank Primus.

The color of the Wheeljack's mouth is very similar to his PRIME DARK ENERGON figure.Maybe his hears are not big enough,retry with Sunstreaker.

The Transformers Bumblebee Movie has opened into Third Place on its opening weekend, coming behind Disneys Mary Poppins Returns in Second place and Warner Bros Aquaman in First. This news comes to us from Business Insider Website. The Bumblebee Movie has made 21 Million Dollars this past weekend, the lowest opening of any Transformers movie so far, including the last Michael Bay directed movie, The Last Knight. However, Mary Poppins Returns is only marginally ahead on 22.2 Million Dollars. Its still possible for Bumblebee to take a respectful Second behind Aquaman which has gained a lead to the tune of 72.1 Million Dollars. In terms of audience opinion however, Bumblebee is well ahead of the competition as it current sits on a 94% rating on Rotten Tomatos compared to Mary Poppins Returns (Which sits on 77%) and Aquaman (Which has the lowest of the three with a 64% Rating).



Also unlike the other two movies, Bumblebee has a smaller budget to make back as well, costing Paramount just 138 Million Dollars(not including marketing) to make. This means that Bumblebee could make its cost back and more. Compare this with The Last Knights which had a budget of 217 Million Dollars yet failed to make that domestically, and had to rely on foreign screenings to get that initial budget back.

Are you looking forward to this movie? Have you already seen it? Then let us know in the Energon Pub, and click here to discuss the film with others in spoiler filled content, and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews.

As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

RiddlerJ wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

we also already know they were planning a reboot of transformers in 2022-2023. I agree, fatigue is a possibility. but most people I knew either wanted to see aquaman or marry poppins too, and aren't keen on seeing more then 1 movie in a given week. my family all chose marry poppins (I feel it should be the one getting the lower score on rotten tomatoes, not aquaman), while all my friends saw Aquaman, because its showtimes were earlier. I still have high hopes for bumblebee though, because hasbro needs to see this formula works, so they can get rid of the previous transformers movie checklist and move forward into good movies.

Immortal Starscream wrote:

RiddlerJ wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

For now maybe, but Hollywood reboots everything after a while. What version of Batman are we on now?

Hell, it's behind a sequel to a movie that came out in 1964.

. I agree, fatigue is a possibility. but most people I knew either wanted to see aquaman or marry poppins too, and aren't keen on seeing more then 1 movie in a given week. my family all chose marry poppins, while all my friends saw Aquaman, because its showtimes were earlier.

I think honestly that's the most important point about the bumblebee movie. Currently it's a critical darling, from professionals, armchair critics, and long time TF fans; the issue is those are people who would have seen it anyway. Critics will see it because that's their profession or hobby and the latter applies to fans. Aquaman and Mary Poppins are "safe" movies comparatively speaking. The average movie goer is sandwiched between three movies this December considering theres no Star Wars to scare the studios from releasing anything for a month. Marry Poppins is a big lavish flamboyant Disney Family film for the whole family, Aquaman is a big budget superhero movie that also has a broad market appeal for both hardcore comic fans and general audiences. Bumblebee is left as an odd child out all things considered. Not exactly squeaky clean family fun or a "Mature comic book movie". If anything I'm willing to say if bumblebee stays at a solid 3rd place that might still be a win for paramount, and theres a good chance that bumblebees going to be a sleeper hit that blows up with home video.

Don't forget that these figures for Bumblebee are domestic only, it still has other places to open...like China, which is where Aquaman got a huge boost.

I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Ah the beauty of hindsight If it did, I'd be watching the Blu-Ray now! I think Bee will see a lot of home sales, I wonder how the toyline is faring

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

If that’s true explain comic book marvel movies always become successful Spider-Man had many reboots Spider-Man homecoming and Spider-Man into verse was number one at Time franchise fatiague has nothing do with it maybe old fans on these sites should try something talk to new transformer fans my cousin like it but he expected more action he does not watch cartoons he does read comics but he does like transformers movies yeah prime in end in his truck mode look very cartoony I never saw red semi truck in my life driving on road but movie was good talk to new fans you be surprise what answer you get from somebody do so

dragons wrote:

Skritz wrote:As I expected, the one which seem to be the best one yet by a wide margin (haven't seen it yet)...is sadly most likely suffering from franchise fatigue and people not wanting to see it after getting tired of five boring and terrible movies. I expect it to be the last Transformers movie.

If that’s true explain comic book marvel movies always become successful Spider-Man had many reboots Spider-Man homecoming and Spider-Man into verse was number one at Time franchise fatiague has nothing do with it maybe old fans on these sites should try something talk to new transformer fans my cousin like it but he expected more action he does not watch cartoons he does read comics but he does like transformers movies yeah prime in end in his truck mode look very cartoony I never saw red semi truck in my life driving on road but movie was good talk to new fans you be surprise what answer you get from somebody do so

Well Transformers isn't Spider man.

I fully expect Spider man alone to out live Transformers for a good while and that's not getting to the rest of Marvel or even DC.

Emerje wrote:I wonder if they're kicking themselves for not sticking with their original release plan and just gone up against the abysmal Solo movie?

Emerje

Abysmal? Solo made 4x more than Bumblebee on it's opening weekend. It's highly unlikely that Bee would have done better having been released against Solo over Aquaman. It's unfortunate that Bee is doing so poorly. It's a really good movie, better than any of the other Transformers movies IMO. It just seems like these spin off movies from major franchisees don't do well. Marvel and DC movies aren't really spin offs as their entire structure has been to do movies about individual characters then bring them together and a big movie. Solo and Bee were already part of the big movies and were separated from that universe to tell a smaller story. It's too bad because I really liked both of these movies.

Would Fantastic Beasts be seen as a spin off? I'm trying to think of cinematic examples to compare. I'll leave Rogue One to the side as Star Wars is a massive entity which warps the proceedings a bit.

ZeroWolf wrote:Would Fantastic Beasts be seen as a spin off? I'm trying to think of cinematic examples to compare. I'll leave Rogue One to the side as Star Wars is a massive entity which warps the proceedings a bit.

Fantastic beasts is a perfect comparison to Bee, both are spin offs happening before the main series.

I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Rodimus Knight wrote:I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Did you watch Into the Spiderverse?

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Knight wrote:I saw all three movies this weekend, which for someone who usually sees one a month at best, is saying something.

Aquaman was probably the best of them. It was a lot of fun.
Bumbleebee was great. I wish we'd gotten something closer to this in the beginning. Easily the best of the Live action movies.
Mary Poppins, a bit of a disappointment. I wont go into details of story, but lets just say, none of the songs are memorable.

Did you watch Into the Spiderverse?

I saw it last weekend. I really enjoyed it. I didn't like the jerky feel to the animation, but otherwise I enjoyed the story.

Into the Spiderverse was a lot of fun! Definitely Oscar worthy.

I've watched it this evening and I think it's an excellent movie, the way all Tf Movies should've been. Great action but in a different and more coherent way than the Bayhem; good characters; no sex sex sex humour and no robots saying bad words;a clean thing.

I've liked also Blitzwing and his short (but crucial) appearance: TLK was a mess of robots completely useless for the plot (and for the brand: many of those have never had a toy, maybe We'll see something in the lame Studio Series line)

And tons of eighties nostalgia, pure ecstasy for a 44yo like me

Maybe it's a bit too teenage oriented but the movie works right. I just hope they'll not loose this tune because this is the best.

A very good movie, the second in my personal ranking after DOTM even though it's such a different product from the previous movies that it should be must correct to give it a place of its own.

What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

ZeroWolf wrote:Don't forget that these figures for Bumblebee are domestic only, it still has other places to open...like China, which is where Aquaman got a huge boost.

I heard that a lot of moviegoers in China passed on TLK because it didn’t have enough of Optimus Prime in it. Not at all surprised at the low numbers here, but I am very interested in seeing what it does overseas.

Rodimus Knight wrote:What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

See I never had this problem with the other movies.

It would be nice to see them come up with toys for these characters. I'd love to see how they would do Arcee, Brawn and Wheeljack in cybertronain vehicle modes, although I know they aren't going to do anything new with these ones.

Rodimus Knight wrote:What was great about the fights in Bumblebee, you could tell the robots apart while fighting. In all the the bay movies, with their similar looks to all, you couldn't really tell what was going on.

I felt Age of Extinction rectified that greatly by colour coding all the autobots. Hound's last stand in Hong Kong was excellent.