Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio

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We published an article the other day to set up expectations for the upcoming Transformers Rise of the Beasts film which simply meant to show that the ongoing debate of this series being rebooted or not was irrelevant IF it didn't change what many fans often begrudged the Live Action Transformers movies for. One week has passed and the article feels almost prescient since the trailer did indeed reveal that the film was not a clear cut reboot, with several visual call backs to the Bay films. And an article/interview from BET revealed more details about the human component which the trailer did not show much of.

So we have familiar live action visuals, some focus on the humans, but a Bay-style live action Transformers film would not be the same without a random MacGuffin. And guess what, we now have news of such a thing. On Battletrap's Studio Series toy bio, we learn that the two human characters will have an encounter with this villain when it hunts for the Transwarp Key.

Battletrap fires a barrage of blasts at Noah and Elena to secure the Transwarp Key.

Now will that be the main MacGuffin? What does the Transwarp key open? We don't know, but this gives you an idea of what the film entails since the teaser trailer gave us nothing plot related, which is typical of teasers.

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Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150837)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 6th, 2022 @ 3:35pm CST

First Aid wrote:If the overarching theme in the movie is black and Latino culture and NOT Transformers, then it is a failure.

Thank you. My point precisely.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150849)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 6th, 2022 @ 4:46pm CST

First-Aid wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:I can't speak for other people, but I would have the same angry reaction if the director claimed that the movie was made to "celebrate French people and Christian values".

This. SO MUCH this.

We all WANT a Transformers movie like the cartoons, focusing on the Transformers themselves. It's our dream. This shouldn't "celebrate" ANY racial, religious, or sexual aspects, it should celebrate TRANSFORMERS.

That is what most of us "haters" mean to say, more or less awkwardly. But too many just raise the "ism" cudgel to vilify us.

If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.

I bet we will see the Maximals for around 9 minutes out of 2¾ hours just like it happened for the Dinobots in Age of Extinctions. >:oP

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150851)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 4:52pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.

So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150854)
Posted by First-Aid on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:05pm CST

Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle. That also opens a SH!T TON of cans of worms. That Transwarp key could be the figurative and literal key to rebooting everything ala Star Trek TOS/Star Trek Chris Pine version.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150856)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:08pm CST

First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.

Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150857)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:15pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.

More budget, better animation, skip going to Earth, and trim out the usual fillers?

YES PLEASE! :BOWDOWN:

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150858)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:19pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.

More budget, better animation, skip going to Earth, and trim out the usual fillers?

YES PLEASE!

So, Cyberverse Seasons 2-4, then.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150859)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:34pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.

So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.

As for a movie version of Cyberverse, yes please! :-D

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150860)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 5:39pm CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.
So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.

Emphasis mine.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150861)
Posted by o.supreme on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:00pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:If I want to see a movie about humans celebrating human culture, ANY culture of ANY "color", there's countless movies out there. But here we are promised a movie about EXTRATERESTRIAL ROBOTS and what do we know about their culture and their traditions? NOTHING. Nada. Transformers are supposed to be a species of sentient beings millions of years old. Yet all we see are empty shells that fight each others for no reasons.
So, in other words, you want a movie version of Cyberverse.

More budget, better animation, skip going to Earth, and trim out the usual fillers?

YES PLEASE!
So, Cyberverse Seasons 2-4, then.

More like The first 2 minutes of Bumblebee, and the flashback sequence.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150862)
Posted by Rysquad on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:06pm CST

Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.

Kinda makes the whole "robots in disguise" thing moot though.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150863)
Posted by Cheesinator on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:06pm CST

Humanless transformers movie is the dream.

But at that point what's the difference between that and the Cyberverse shows? Same stuff but better graphics?

First-Aid wrote:This. SO MUCH this.

We all WANT a Transformers movie like the cartoons, focusing on the Transformers themselves. It's our dream. This shouldn't "celebrate" ANY racial, religious, or sexual aspects, it should celebrate TRANSFORMERS.

There is nothing wrong with celebrating those things, just doing it to the exclusion of a story or the main reason for the movie/tV series. Hopefully they will learn from the recent issues with Doctor Who. Doctors 9, 10/11, 12, and 13 were off the chart popular because of great writing. There are ALWAYS lessons in Doctor Who, but good writing disguises them in creative storylines and characters. When Jodie Whitaker came onboard, a new writer took over and, frankly, it was a lesson everytime but they no longer tried hiding it...or they tried to and just were horrible at it. The result? Doctor Who ratings globally are down dramatically, with Oprah re-runs outscoring them in some cases. The BLATANTNESS was the turn-off. It boiled down to horrible writing, making the "woke" lesson the story as opposed to disguising it in a fun or intense storyline. It was just, "Here you go. Sorry it's not entertaining in even the least bit." I loved the show, as did my wife- who actually got me into Doctor Who (I'm a sassy Nine fan, she's a Colin Baker person). We watched the first three with Jodie and she turned it off in disgust. Her opinion- it was just stupid and borderline offensive to old fans.

It's not the WHAT that matters. It's the HOW. If the overarching theme in the movie is black and Latino culture and NOT Transformers, then that is failure.

I'd just like to point out that there was no real difference between the first few Whittaker eps to any other Doctor immediately after they regenerated. First two eps don't even have a moral undertone or "lessons" at all, just Doctor fighting a Predator wannabe and then getting involved in a space-race.

The only things that had changed were that the Doctor was a woman, and her companions were not (all) white. And neither of those facts were relevant to the plots at all.

You can blame wokeness I guess, but quite literally all that show did was diversify the cast's gender and ethnicities a little (and again, placed extremely little - if any -emphasis on this) and that was apparently enough to turn people like you off.

That said, I agree with the last point about how the movie would be a failure if it's all about black and Latino culture. But I really can't imagine how anyone would extrapolate that from the comments that started all this.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150864)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:22pm CST

Rysquad wrote:
Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.

Kinda makes the whole "robots in disguise" thing moot though.

And I guess that means that the 1986 movie was never a Transformers movie either. Turns out the only Transformers movie to ever see release in theaters was the Japanese Beast Wars Second movie.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150866)
Posted by Rysquad on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:31pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Rysquad wrote:
Cheetron wrote:I'm just waiting for the day when we have a transformer movie. No humans. Just giant robots.

Kinda makes the whole "robots in disguise" thing moot though.
And I guess that means that the 1986 movie was never a Transformers movie either. Turns out the only Transformers movie to ever see release in theaters was the Japanese Beast Wars Second movie.

It's a continuation of G1 season's 1 and 2 and had human characters in it so it's fine.

No interaction with Earth? No Earth-based alt-modes. I mean, let's just make a movie out of the Fall of Cybertron cut-scenes.

I can't recall what the commercial was for but there I recall a recent ad where a kid sees Bumblebee parked and basically waits all day for him to transform.

I'm sure that's the magic Hasbro wants to capture. (and they want to sell toys too)

My point is the whole "no humans" thing is cool and all, but I'm not part of the all when people say we "all" want no humans.

The "only on Cybertron" backstory is fine, but it's just backstory to me.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150867)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:37pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.
So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.
Emphasis mine.

I get that BW started the time travel concept. But you said that later TFA and other material streamlined it to be space-travel only. I was just wondering how that was done.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150869)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 6th, 2022 @ 6:44pm CST

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:Transwarp key? That pretty much locks in the time travel angle.
Not necessarily. Though the concept of Transwarp technology was originally introduced in Beast Wars as involving time travel, later fiction of more recent years (beginning most prominently with Animated) has streamlined the concept to merely refer to the kind of technology used by space bridges simply for long-distance space travel.
So how was them traveling to prehistoric Earth explained away? Isn't Transwarp capable of time-travel as well? I don't remember details from Animated and I haven't read up on convention exclusive material.
Emphasis mine.
I get that BW started the time travel concept. But you said that later TFA and other material streamlined it to be space-travel only. I was just wondering how that was done.

I meant they streamlined it in general for later fiction to use as space bridge tech. They didn't retroactively change how it worked back in Beast Wars.

It's like how later fiction streamlined the Ark's journey to Earth to always be about searching for the AllSpark, but that doesn't also change its original missions in either the Marvel comic or the G1 cartoon.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150871)
Posted by Rysquad on December 6th, 2022 @ 7:00pm CST

william-james88 wrote:
Cheesinator wrote:What's really bizarre about all this is that Bumblebee already set the precedent for this in a major way. Hailee Steinfeld's character was a huge focus (both in marketing and the movie itself), with the film going into her family, history, personality and trauma. People like you didn't seem to mind when it was a white girl, but apparently trying to do the same with nonwhite people is completely enraging?

Just to add to the diversity in Bumblebee, Hailee Stenifeld isn't white. She's a mix of lots of cultures, including African American and Filipino. The main All American white guy was John Cena, who was the "bad guy" for a big part of the film and who learns that not all giant robots are bad.

Hate to be that guy but Hailee Steinfeld's Charlie Watson isn't really a mixed-race character though. I'm pretty sure it was "ethnically-ambiguous" casting.

If you want to see more obvious Filipino and African-American casting, it's on Transformers Earthspark.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150889)
Posted by muddyjoe on December 6th, 2022 @ 8:33pm CST

As much as I despise Michael Bay's movies, at least his aren't woke, identity politics bullcrap.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150897)
Posted by Hydrargyrus on December 6th, 2022 @ 9:30pm CST

It's okay to prefer Transformers media that doesn't have humans as a major element. But oftentimes, there are humans in Transformers stories. Those humans always belong to a culture. This movie has humans from a different culture than they usually are from (at least for the movies—I haven't crunched the numbers on all Transformers media). The linked article in the news post does not seem to imply the movie is primarily about that culture. The title of the new post might.

I think sometimes we (humans) get carried away focusing on the things that bother us when we're reminded of them. I know I'm prone to that behavior. But I think that's not often worthwhile. Specifically, voicing grievances about the state of the world on a somewhat-related thread on a Transformers forum seems a little pointless. You spend more time being upset, remind people that agree with you to be upset, and frustrate those that don't agree with you. I don't see a winner. Maybe these forums are a failure when they aren't talking about Transformers. (That's a joke, by the way.)

Maybe I'm making the same mistake here. Maybe this comment only riles readers up more. But I hope not.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150899)
Posted by 84everfan on December 6th, 2022 @ 10:24pm CST

Exciting stuff, love to see it.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150904)
Posted by Seibertron on December 6th, 2022 @ 11:24pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Because that's getting its own spin off movie as a prequel. Hopefully showing shockwave's leadership of the cons in megs absence.

Will this be an actual thing?
And without any woke poison?

woke poison…wow. Sometimes you can just smell fans in their posts

Well, name a single "woke" movie with heavy "woke" marketing that got tremendous success and brought sales records. I'll wait.

That's enough. Those of you here that regularly toss around "woke" have really got some problems. If you feel that way, I assure you that you're on the wrong Transformers fansite. I support the majority of ideas that you consider to be "woke". I'm liberal. My business supports liberal ideas. I'm tired of providing a platform for those of you who are hung up on things that you consider to be "woke". Those of you using that term here as well as attacking anything and everything that's not part of your world or that you consider to be "woke" are nearing the end of your time here.

If you want to stay here on our forums, the "woke" comments need to end now and forever. I'm letting you know I'm tired of reading those comments here on Seibertron.com. Those comments are not welcome here. THOSE COMMENTS DO NOT BELONG HERE.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150908)
Posted by noctorro on December 7th, 2022 @ 1:36am CST

Well, it's to be expected. I just hope it isn't at the cost of good/okay story telling.

You must say it's kind of a departure from the Bay movies hahaha.

Teaser looks good, cg's a bit off but it's a teaser so I don't expect She Hulk or Dr Strange 2 cg level cringe/cheapness. Or Justice League by Whedon, my god the green screen.

From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.
Of course there will be humans, and if the cringe is white guy or a black girl whatever man, cringe is cringe.

I liked Charlie in Bumblebee a lot, so hopefully they'll go more like that style instead of screaming hysterics. And I hope they don't go full Shuri/Ironbaby/Rey Mary Sue/Gary Stue (yes there is the male variant of that, but less used).

The Mexican dude actually looks like my co worker, so I was confused as hell since he was on sick leave for about 2 months (was he actually filming a blockbuster movie?)

All in all, this movie looks like fun and I'm looking forward to the official trailer

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150910)
Posted by Glyph on December 7th, 2022 @ 4:12am CST

Thank you, Ryan. That's good to see.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150912)
Posted by muddyjoe on December 7th, 2022 @ 7:55am CST

Seibertron wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
Randomhero wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Because that's getting its own spin off movie as a prequel. Hopefully showing shockwave's leadership of the cons in megs absence.

Will this be an actual thing?
And without any woke poison?

woke poison…wow. Sometimes you can just smell fans in their posts

Well, name a single "woke" movie with heavy "woke" marketing that got tremendous success and brought sales records. I'll wait.

That's enough. Those of you here that regularly toss around "woke" have really got some problems. If you feel that way, I assure you that you're on the wrong Transformers fansite. I support the majority of ideas that you consider to be "woke". I'm liberal. My business supports liberal ideas. I'm tired of providing a platform for those of you who are hung up on things that you consider to be "woke". Those of you using that term here as well as attacking anything and everything that's not part of your world or that you consider to be "woke" are nearing the end of your time here.

If you want to stay here on our forums, the "woke" comments need to end now and forever. I'm letting you know I'm tired of reading those comments here on Seibertron.com. Those comments are not welcome here. THOSE COMMENTS DO NOT BELONG HERE.

"Liberal ideas"?... Like censoring free speech when it doesn't agree with your world view?

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150917)
Posted by william-james88 on December 7th, 2022 @ 9:10am CST

noctorro wrote:Gary Stue (yes there is the male variant of that, but less used).

I just call him James Bond :lol:

Joking aside, the talk of the transwarp key fits into the time travel rumours we heard of a while ago and that other outlets are pushing, comparing this film to days of future past.

But that would mean this is not a reboot to the franchise itself but simply a change in continuity. So we'd still be stuck in Bayverse but with different potential for stories. Instead of saying goodbye to the Bayverse, it's doubling down on it, providing more stories within it. Isn't that the complete opposite of what fans wanted when there was discussion of a reboot?

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150925)
Posted by Cheesinator on December 7th, 2022 @ 12:02pm CST

muddyjoe wrote:"Liberal ideas"?... Like censoring free speech when it doesn't agree with your world view?

Do you believe that expressing disgust and/or anger at the mention of a cast being predominantly black/hispanic is generally protected under free speech?

noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.

That's my hope too, but at this point I'm measuring expectations. I imagine it's difficult to provide a lot of bot action with cool kills while also making them feel like actual characters; IMO Bumblebee did this best (followed closely by TF1) due to having a small cast, while movies like RotF and DotM showed that if you have a huge cast, most of the bots end up just being kinda forgettable and seem more like extras.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150930)
Posted by william-james88 on December 7th, 2022 @ 12:52pm CST

noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.

We know there are two human protagonists. One is trying to help his younger brother live a better life and the other struggles with her manager taking credit for her research. Obviously, none of that would make for a fun trailer, but both those are in the film. Instead of seeing lots of shots of Brooklyn where a big chunk of the movie takes place, we see a lot of South America instead, with the Beasts, who appear later. So yes, the teaser is fanbaiting you, though I don,t think that's a bad thing, that's the point of a teaser. It's to get you excited, and to hook you in. Like bait for a fish. That has no bearing on the film's quality or how good the story can be though, as we saw with Bumblebee which also had lots of action in the trailer.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150938)
Posted by atenciot on December 7th, 2022 @ 2:33pm CST

Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

For the movie, I really hope Michael Bay is not the ghost director on this. We can see his influence in the characters. I understand they evolve, so we will see changes from the Bumblebee design to ROTB to what we saw in the 2007 movie. If it is all continuity, we can expect OP to leave earth at the end of ROTB and shed his earthly form, returning to his BB cybertron form. Just please be good, a good story can make up for bad special FX, but good SFX cannot make up for a bad story. TLK was horrible and BB gave us hope.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150939)
Posted by First-Aid on December 7th, 2022 @ 2:35pm CST

atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150942)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 7th, 2022 @ 2:44pm CST

First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?

A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150943)
Posted by First-Aid on December 7th, 2022 @ 3:10pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150944)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 7th, 2022 @ 3:12pm CST

First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.

And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150945)
Posted by First-Aid on December 7th, 2022 @ 3:26pm CST

Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.

I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term? :michaelbay:

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150949)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 7th, 2022 @ 3:58pm CST

First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.

I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term?

That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150950)
Posted by Dragon_Lord on December 7th, 2022 @ 3:58pm CST

First-Aid wrote:Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.

The worst part is that the word is almost unpronounceable taking into consideration that Spanish is a gendered language and we don't have many words that end with two consonants (besides a handful of words that come from Latin or a loan words from other languages).

A lot of people in the Latin American communities hate the word because:

1) Almost unpronounceable.
2) Didn't came up organically from the latino community.
3) The people that get angry when you don't want to use that word gives a bad impression of an imposed anglicization on the language, almost as bad as the people that want Hispanics to unironically abolish the Spanish word for black from the language.

First-Aid wrote:I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term?

Be my guest :lol:

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150970)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on December 7th, 2022 @ 7:10pm CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.

I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term?

That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.

I fail to see how this is on topic.

Back to the movie please.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150975)
Posted by First-Aid on December 7th, 2022 @ 8:01pm CST

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
First-Aid wrote:
atenciot wrote:Thank you for not using the term LatinX, as a LatinO, I cannot stand this term. The majority of Hispanics are bothered by it or ask what the hell that word is.

....Latinx? What is that?
A gender-neutral alternative to "Latino" and "Latina".

That seems awfully impersonal, generic, and lazy to me.

Personally, I suspect there is a faction out there that is trying to find new ways to use the letter "x" in general use for the express purpose of scoring more points in Scrabble.
And most Latin Americans very much dislike that term.

I can't blame them. It almost de-humanizes them. Does anyone mind if I slap people who use that term?

That term was pushed by "liberal" people desperately grasping at straws to be the most politically correct possible. Like some sort of pissing contest. The narcissism is so strong to these people that they are usually deaf to the outcry from the very people they pander to.

Outside of those cultists colleges and gathering of the "elites", calling a Latino or Latina "latinX" will guarantee you strange looks, a slap in the face, or worse.

I fail to see how this is on topic.

Back to the movie please.

Sorry. I saw a squirrel holding a shiny object playing "Never Gonna Give You Up"...

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150988)
Posted by william-james88 on December 8th, 2022 @ 10:01am CST

I will first and foremost reiterate that for the live action Transformers films, it's best to enjoy them as singular entities rather than try to map out any kind of continuity, even though the films do often attempt connecting visual or story elements. The next film, Rise of the Beasts, will be no different, hence my earlier article about it not making a difference if it's a reboot or not.

People have since written in and commented, offering good points. The best one being that while the tropes of the live action Transformers films may be inevitable (and even enjoyed by many fans), at least a reboot of the continuity would mean that the films don't lead to the unconcluded story set up in The Last Knight. That is an excellent point, and for the reasons I will point out below, that may be what this franchise plans on doing with this film. That does mean, however, that while the continuity changes, the live action films would still be in the same universe, set up by Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg (aptly called Bayverse by many). And there in lies the question, would fans be ok with preserving the Bayverse but branching off into an alternate storyline/continuity within?

I bring this up because there were rumours of a test screening for the Rise of the Beasts, which included elements of time travel, connecting the Rise of the Beasts movie directly with the earlier Bay era movies and changing the past so that the storylines don't end up in the same direction as the previous Bay films, creating a new timeline. There was never solid evidence of these screenings, so not much attention was given to them. Those story elements are starting to resurface with the mention of the Transwarp Key (or Keys), which we know will factor into this movie, and that was mentioned in the accounts of the test screenings. It may have been a lucky guess but, regardless, the "Transwarp" element does come from Beast Wars canon and it was the Transwarp Drive which let the Maximals travel through time originally. All to say, time travel can factor into this movie.

Other outlets have written similar articles comparing this possible plot point to the X-Men franchise where time travel was also used to create a diverging timeline within the same universe, creating new potential storylines (like the Apocalypse and Dark Pheonix film). As I read all this and put it together, I wonder if the fans who were asking for a reboot would be satisfied by this. While it would help the storytellers for future films, it still provides zero indication of fans getting what they want, which is a film focused on the robots with very few (to no) humans. It just means that the Unicron plot point from Transformers The Last Knight is abandoned, which would anger other fans. So ultimately, it looks like this doesn't benefit any fan. Those who want the Bayverse to die don't get that, and those who want to see a satisfying conclusion to the story the live action films were telling don't get that either.

But maybe this middle ground of a divergent storyline would satisfy some fans, hence the question this article asks: would fans be happy with an alternate timeline within the Bayverse?

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150990)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 8th, 2022 @ 10:17am CST

Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150994)
Posted by First-Aid on December 8th, 2022 @ 10:37am CST

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.

You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150996)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 8th, 2022 @ 11:08am CST

First-Aid wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.

You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.

Knowing This brand, it would be lots of Bumblebees. :-P

And all of them would still be unable to speak. :twisted:

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150997)
Posted by noctorro on December 8th, 2022 @ 11:23am CST

william-james88 wrote:I just call him James Bond

Hahaha exactly!
Now that I think of it, The Fast and Furious Family are all Gary Stues

Well, you do know what you are watching.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150998)
Posted by noctorro on December 8th, 2022 @ 11:32am CST

Cheesinator wrote:
muddyjoe wrote:"Liberal ideas"?... Like censoring free speech when it doesn't agree with your world view?

Do you believe that expressing disgust and/or anger at the mention of a cast being predominantly black/hispanic is generally protected under free speech?

noctorro wrote:From the teaser, lots and lots of bots! And it looks like it's not fanbaiting.

That's my hope too, but at this point I'm measuring expectations. I imagine it's difficult to provide a lot of bot action with cool kills while also making them feel like actual characters; IMO Bumblebee did this best (followed closely by TF1) due to having a small cast, while movies like RotF and DotM showed that if you have a huge cast, most of the bots end up just being kinda forgettable and seem more like extras.

On the first note, disgust and anger is sour behaviour. Even if the emotion is justified given the current Hollywood climate. You can't say with a straight face that there's nothing going on in a certain political leaning direction. Howver voicing concerns in a somewhat decent manner should not be silenced in my personal opinion.

Second part: I also think Bumblebee did it best. Keep it small and build out if the audience says it's a good movie with their wallet. Not shill media.
My gods, I think Ratchet had litteraly one line of dialogue in Dark of the Moon. And that's my second favorite Transformers movie.

If the characters don't have any depth/personality/story then them fighting etc. does very little for me in the enjoyment factor. + it's just objectivly bad.

I think I'm just a big child, I cannot contain my enthusaism in case of a big dissapointment to be honest.
It looks like Transformers filled and they talk a lot + there seems to be a lot of action. The only thing they can ruin it for me is with onesided high horse politics.
Or toilet humor, but it looks like the humor is subltle seeing that final shot of Arcee.
If Bay was in charge Arcee would be twerking, oh wait that's actually Marvel isn't it.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2150999)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on December 8th, 2022 @ 11:49am CST

First-Aid wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, I would be happy with an alternate time-line in the Bayverse, but only if at some point, the time-lines converge Spiderman No Way Home style.

You mean lots of Optimi? I'm game for that.

If Bee/ROTB Optimus is more in line with G1 than "Optimus the Barbarian" from the first Bay movies, I'd love to see both of them meet and react to each other.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151000)
Posted by blackeyedprime on December 8th, 2022 @ 12:11pm CST

Anything that brings an end to baynus is good to me, sadly this won't be it. Bumblebee could have been a good move forward even with its flaws. This is seemingly ten steps backwards and probably not even a Linkin Park song to save it.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151002)
Posted by bumblebeeprime_18 on December 8th, 2022 @ 12:40pm CST

@william-james88 there has never really confirmation that the film is a full continuity reboot

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151004)
Posted by WiseMan on December 8th, 2022 @ 1:10pm CST

If they used the transwarp macguffin for time travel, maybe using it to stop Unicron, that would be a nice way to tie everything together.

And then leave it completely behind and start fresh with someone who understands the word "continuity".

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151005)
Posted by william-james88 on December 8th, 2022 @ 1:12pm CST

bumblebeeprime_18 wrote:@william-james88 there has never really confirmation that the film is a full continuity reboot

You're right and I've said as such many times, like in my previous article. They've always been very coy about it with Travis Knight flat out saying those words meant nothing to him in regards to his film. This is all just conjecture, to stimulate discussion based on new info we've received. Basically, lots of "what if"s.

Also, even if this film branches out, it wouldn't be a full reboot. It would instead confirm that Bumblebee was in continuity with the rest of the Bayverse films and that events branch off afterwards, fully integrating all films into one universe. Which I think is the opposite fans wanted.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151008)
Posted by Sabrblade on December 8th, 2022 @ 2:19pm CST

My gut feeling that Paramount is never gonna fully address the notion of Bumblebee and Rise of the Beasts ever being a separate timeline because they don't want to fully discard the first five movies after how much money the first four made for them, and will continue to remain completely agnostic on the matter so that ROTB could still, even if just theoretically, take place chronologically before the 2007 movie in the same timeline. Basically Hasbro's "squint test" logic they had regarding the Aligned fiction.

Like, it feels likely that they aren't ever going to make a movie that unambiguously says something like "We are willfully ignoring and deliberately irrevocably contradicting the 2007 movie! Here's Megatron in a G1 body dancing on top of Hoover Dam at a point when he should instead be on ice inside of it! He just flew down to Earth from outer space! And he's only just now meeting Optimus for the first time ever! And he even brought his wife and kids with him!"

Money talks big words to big corporate executives, even if some of that money came from something as half-baked as ROTF.

Re: Possible MacGuffin in Transformers Rise of the Beasts Revealed in New Toy Bio (2151009)
Posted by bluecatcinema on December 8th, 2022 @ 2:22pm CST

Considering how badly things turned out by the later movies, I wouldn't mind the idea of these movies being part of a different timeline.

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