Sam Smith Talks Tidal Wave in Massive Info Dump with Videos and Box Art

Soooo, are any of the bots on the box art actually recognizable as real characters? I'm stumped though the two in the water look a little familiar. Are they generics from the Armada cartoon? I looked through Insecticons.com and didn't really see any matches.

Emerje

I'm loving that battlestation mode. I can't wait to get this figure, it's been a while since I was this excited for a new release.

Emerje wrote:Soooo, are any of the bots on the box art actually recognizable as real characters? I'm stumped though the two in the water look a little familiar. Are they generics from the Armada cartoon? I looked through Insecticons.com and didn't really see any matches.

Emerje

Can't see any that I recognize as actual characters.

I can se a brown guy on the left that appears to turn into a car.
An Impactor-ey looking dude by TW's right leg in the water. Near him someone that looks vaguely like R.I.D Tow-line.

Blue and gray, Beachcomb-ey guy. Green and purple dude on TW's knee(no clue), some guy with striped legs and a blue chest, I know I've seen the color scheme some where but can't place it. Reminds me oof G2 Spark, but it's not right, because the stripes were only in his truck mode.

I really have to wonder why they gave the part that goes on Megatron's back articulated feet. It's not part the boat mode or needed for storage. Vestigial parts from when they were hoping to make a mini Tidal Wave perhaps?

Emerje

Sigh. Why is it that the battlestation/city modes for the Titan figures are always just the robot mode lying spread-eagled on their backs? It looks like someone punched Tidal Wave in the face and he's just lying there, keeled over, with tweety birds circling around his head...

DeathReviews wrote:Sigh. Why is it that the battlestation/city modes for the Titan figures are always just the robot mode lying spread-eagled on their backs?

Because that's how it was done back in 1986-1987? Metroplex, Trypticon, Fortress Maximus, and Scorponok all played dead for their city/base modes.

Gah I’m so mad I haven’t been able to grab any Legacy Armada figs yet. I really want to rebuild my childhood collection, they’re really going through the OG cast. Just need Red Alert, Demolisher, and a Cyclonus!

Plus, that box art is amazing. Totally reminiscent of the Island level from the PS2 Armada game, in which you have to fight a Titan sized Tidal Wave. Best boss in the game too.

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:However, are there any giant Transformers characters left?

Why does nobody look at my Signature... ....

j/k/... anyway... With Tidal Wave having a "Base Mode", one would almost assuredly think there would be AIRLOCK connectors somewhere. I mean even the Nemesis had them which wasn't necessary, but a nice touch. Anyone spot any yet? If there are none, that makes this so much easier to pass on. If there are, it will have to be an almost 1/2 off deal (Like Cybertron Metroplex). Although admittedly, this looks much better than Cybertron Metroplex.

noctorro wrote:I agree with Overlord. However, are there any giant Transformers characters left?
Cyberverse Titan ... Croaton? Or whatever he was called.
Animated Omega Supreme (not going to happen).

G1 Broadside? 2025, simultaneous release of Broadside in every size class so it's toon accurate since they couldn't keep his scale correct.

Wouldn't Animated Omega pretty much just be an Ark recolour? Though... didn't his arms and torso form the back end of the ship?

I didn't read through every comment all the way and a few I mention were already mentioned but I tried to not restate titan class options too much.

Underbase powered G1 Starscream.

Omega Lock powered Cybertron Starscream. The scale chart someone posted earlier has him smaller than titan but oh well. I just want a titan Cybertron Starscream.

Energon Omega Supreme and Omega Sentinel.

Cybertron Menasor. But with Heavyload and maybe even Drillbit to make up the difference in his overall height compared to Metroplex. I don't think Quickmix and his Minicon would be titan though and would work well as a commander. Much like Cybertron Starscream, I just want a titan Menasor.

G1 Revenge.

G1 Victory. Nemesis retool?

BW Axalon.

BW Darksyde.

G1 Quintesson cruiser.

G1 Junkion ship, Minnow.

Prime Predaking? If only to get the wings and tail extremely articulated more than a commander would allow. He is pretty damn big compared to the rest too though. At least in dragon mode anyway. His size seems to fluctuate about as much as Tidal Wave and the already mentioned Broadside.

WFC Trilogy Astrotrain. He was titan sized for a while.

Guardian Command Center and Renegade Thruster. Both were made by Tonka and should be owned outright by Hasbro. Thruster can be an Ark retool. I seen someone mention Courageous and Grungy but those overall designs are owned by Bandai and most likely fall into that grey area most GoBots fall into. Or whatever is going on there.

Renegade Zod. Wasn't there a version or two of him that was enormous? One was based on Trypticon but there was another version too I think. Another GoBot design that should be owned outright by Hasbro. Commander could work for him just as well for the normal size.

BM Grand Mol.

Metrobase and Quintessa/Necrotitan. To go with Metroplex and the already mentioned Metrotitan. I'd want a new Metroplex mold first though.

Cyberverse Iaconus. To go with the already mentioned Croaton.

Lodestar. Ark retool?
Vigilem.
Prion.
Devisium.
Citadel.
Caminus.
Cargohold.
Chela.
Navitas.
Tempo.
Waypoint.
Emissary.

Some of those last ones don't have designs at all. Others have designs just of the alt mode. While others still are just designs of the robot or parts of the robot. Well...that I seen on the wiki anyway. But they're all titans one way or another and are at least named.

There's also multipacks that could work not unlike Haslab Victory Saber. It would help free up the commander class for other characters. With SS86 Ultra Magnus and the heavily rumored Optimus, people might have some pushback to see so many other Optimus figures as commanders.

God Ginrai. Maybe with the triple changing headmaster and/or cab from the original design sketches of PMOP as extra options or something? Two commander+?

Big Powered. A commander and two voyagers with their Micromasters each as core figures. Have a combined robot mode as well to take up some of the budget?

Battlestar Attack. A commander and two leaders. Grandus isn't titan sized himself as he's a Micromaster battlestation and not a full sized Cybertronian city as others have already pointed out. He's pretty much a glorified Modulator. So leader for him would be fine since he's so simple. Sky Garry is just as simple too so he can be another leader. Maybe have a combined robot mode for these three as well? Their Micromasters and cargo units can be sold separately and can add bulk to the combined mode after the fact like an upgrade kit of sorts.

Omega Prime. Two commander+? Maybe add their "Spy Changers" to make up the difference as two core class figures? A little combining Omega Prime set to go with the larger set.

Optimus Supreme? I already put Omega Supreme as his own titan but I don't fully think he needs to be. Optimus as a commander or leader and then the rest of the budget going to Omega. That could work. Then have Wing Saber as his own voyager or maybe even leader class release.

Cybertron Optimus, Wing Saber and Leobreaker? A commander and two leaders? Have a combined mode utilizing all three as well as the standard combined modes?

That's five more Optimus and another Magnus as potential commanders. So bumping them up to titan as multipacks could make sense. Selling them as sets with a version of Optimus in them should help them sell the lesser characters that might shelfwarm if sold on their own.

Just some random thoughts about the topic of what else they can do in the titan class. It doesn't have to be a single large figure as already seen with Devastator and Predaking.

Oh and I would love a titan Sky Lynx too but that might just be me. I always thought he should've been especially since his rival is Predaking and he's a titan. Earthrise Sky Lynx just isn't big enough to go against titan Predaking. He's big enough to go against Unique Toys Warlord though.

Grahf_ wrote:
G1 Quintesson cruiser.

BM Grand Mol.

Metrobase and Quintessa/Necrotitan. To go with Metroplex and the already mentioned Metrotitan. I'd want a new Metroplex mold first though.

Cyberverse Iaconus. To go with the already mentioned Croaton.

Chela.

You're so right for these ideas. When you think about it like this, there's still SO much untapped potential for Titan class figs. Personally, I would love to see more beast mode Titans. Trypticon looks great, and I know a Chela would be incredible. A golden, primal city for beast characters to be displayed on.

On the other hand, we are very overdue for a Quintesson ship! I'd never thought we'd see the Ark of Nemesis like we've gotten, but here we are. I would also love an Axalon and/or Darksyde, eff it, make all the ships Transformers!

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

noctorro wrote:However, are there any giant Transformers characters left?

Why does nobody look at my Signature... ....

j/k/... anyway... With Tidal Wave having a "Base Mode", one would almost assuredly think there would be AIRLOCK connectors somewhere. I mean even the Nemesis had them which wasn't necessary, but a nice touch. Anyone spot any yet? If there are none, that makes this so much easier to pass on. If there are, it will have to be an almost 1/2 off deal (Like Cybertron Metroplex). Although admittedly, this looks much better than Cybertron Metroplex.

That robot mode reminds us of Force Five from the 80s. Loved those 3 series and others.

Love it more. So getting it. Confused though with Megs. Maybe we didn't read it. A new one to be released to combine with "TIDAL WAVE?"

Dino-Snarl wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

That robot mode reminds us of Force Five from the 80s. Loved those 3 series and others.

Well considering Super Robots are in the ancestral line of Transformers, that makes sense. I could definitely see Majin Zarak taking on a contingent of Go Nagai's finest.

o.supreme wrote:

Dino-Snarl wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

That robot mode reminds us of Force Five from the 80s. Loved those 3 series and others.

Well considering Super Robots are in the ancestral line of Transformers, that makes sense. I could definitely see Majin Zarak taking on a contingent of Go Nagai's finest.

Would love to see that!

His base mode is actually more involved than most since it requires a lot of parts forming. All of the "mini parts" are removed and added on to form towers and ramps, and his chest pops out to make two stories. Plus the guns can be popped off and arranged in different places.

Dino-Snarl wrote:Love it more. So getting it. Confused though with Megs. Maybe we didn't read it. A new one to be released to combine with "TIDAL WAVE?"

Same figure, but part of Tidal Wave includes new feet add-ons for Megatron to make him taller. You can see them on the top of the ship to the right.



Emerje

Emerje wrote:His base mode is actually more involved than most since it requires a lot of parts forming. All of the "mini parts" are removed and added on to form towers and ramps, and his chest pops out to make two stories. Plus the guns can be popped off and arranged in different places.

Dino-Snarl wrote:Love it more. So getting it. Confused though with Megs. Maybe we didn't read it. A new one to be released to combine with "TIDAL WAVE?"

Same figure, but part of Tidal Wave includes new feet add-ons for Megatron to make him taller. You can see them on the top of the ship to the right.



Emerje

Yes now we see it. Thanks! Might need Megs now

I really would like to see something brand spanking new in the Titan Class. An original character, without any previous constraints such as a pre-existing character or alt mode. What can they do if someone tells them, "You know what? Go to town. Have fun. Create something new and iconic. Don't use ANY previous characters. Make something that could potentially help carry the brand for the NEXT 40 years."

WIshful thinking, I know. I guarantee the fandom- especially based on what I'm seeing in the previous posts here- would collectively throw a fit because it's not something that's been done previously ad nauseum (We do NOT need another Predaking, Devastator, or Menasor!). Yes there are a lot of obscure niche characters they could do that would make the fanboys squeal but the majority wouldn't understand it. Something new and special, something iconic. Drift and Windblade are both recent additions that were pretty quickly accepted into the fandom because they were just cool figures but had zero previous history. I want to see that, but in Titan Class.

End of rant. Please resume normal critique of this...really effing awesome figure that I cannot wait to get my grubby, overly-sanitized hands on!

First-Aid wrote:I really would like to see something brand spanking new in the Titan Class. An original character, without any previous constraints such as a pre-existing character or alt mode. What can they do if someone tells them, "You know what? Go to town. Have fun. Create something new and iconic. Don't use ANY previous characters. Make something that could potentially help carry the brand for the NEXT 40 years."

WIshful thinking, I know. I guarantee the fandom- especially based on what I'm seeing in the previous posts here- would collectively throw a fit because it's not something that's been done previously ad nauseum (We do NOT need another Predaking, Devastator, or Menasor!). Yes there are a lot of obscure niche characters they could do that would make the fanboys squeal but the majority wouldn't understand it. Something new and special, something iconic. Drift and Windblade are both recent additions that were pretty quickly accepted into the fandom because they were just cool figures but had zero previous history. I want to see that, but in Titan Class.

End of rant. Please resume normal critique of this...really effing awesome figure that I cannot wait to get my grubby, overly-sanitized hands on!

What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been. Don;t get me wrong, I love it, and will continue to buy things from it, but I can also appreciate the need for something new.

A toyline like Armada, Animated and Prime were at their own time, that gets new characters and new toys for them completely unrelated to G1. (yes some characters from those lines where based on G1 characters, but others where entirely new even if they shared names).

Then they can make a new figure for Titan Class based on that toyline and accompanying fiction.

Spitting out a titan class figure of a new character that people may or may not like without any fiction or appearance prior to its physical existence to back it up is something I doubt Hasbro is willing to risk.

They need to make a toyline with accompanying fiction that they actually care about, unlike Earthspark, which has devolved into a mess of Cyberverse repaints and ridiculous gimmick toys.

They need an actual new main toyline for a completely new and original Titan Class figure to even begin to make sense.

Overcracker wrote:What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been.

Let me introduce you to a couple of main lines called EarthSpark and Rise of the Beasts.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been.

Let me introduce you to a couple of main lines called EarthSpark and Rise of the Beasts.

I did mention Earthspark which they seem to be less than enthusiastic about, and Rise of the Beasts is all but finished no?

But fine, I'll bite: what "new" character from either of those lines would work for a titan class toy? And would people actually want it?

Overcracker wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been.

Let me introduce you to a couple of main lines called EarthSpark and Rise of the Beasts.

I did mention Earthspark which they seem to be less than enthusiastic about, and Rise of the Beasts is all but finished no?

But fine, I'll bite: what "new" character from either of those lines would work for a titan class toy? And would people actually want it?

And if we want to go back a couple of cartoons, Cyberverse introduced three brand new Titans:

Croaton


Iaconus


The Dweller


Meanwhile, Rescue Bots Academy introduced another new Titan:

Citadel Secundus

Interesting. Croaton likely has a better change than the rest. Not sure how many would actuallly drop titan money for the Dweller or Iaconus.

Overcracker wrote:Interesting. Croaton likely has a better change than the rest. Not sure how many would actuallly drop titan money for the Dweller or Iaconus.

I Agree about the Dweller (since only his head was ever seen and not the rest of his body), but Iaconus made a big impression (pun intended) in season 3 of Cyberverse, being the literal robot mode of the city of Iaconus.

Not too mention the epic Titan battle fought between the berserk Iaconus and the Quintesson-possessed Croaton.

Ill admit I have preferences in that, if Hasbro/TT made the 2 Titans on my list, Id pretty much be done and never feel the need to purchase another one again. But still, in trying to conform my preferences to Hasbro Marketing...

If Legacy (and presumably other future lines) are a celebration of all eras, they of course want to branch out. Get different characters from other universes into more size classes. They've done almost all the OG series Titans. Tidal Wave will be the 2nd UT Titan. There have been no "Beast" era Titans yet, and arguably there can only be one, Majin Zarak. As niche as it may seem...I think it would be amazing.

*For any thinking a TR Trypticon retool into Gigastorm would be a good idea, remember the character is NOT a Titan in fiction, he is slightly bigger than average bot, CC would be perfect, but that would necessitate a brand new toy.

o.supreme wrote:For any thinking a TR Trypticon retool into Gigastorm would be a good idea, remember the character is NOT a Titan in fiction, he is slightly bigger than average bot, CC would be perfect, but that would necessitate a brand new toy.

Little known fact about Gigastorm, He's actually a size-changer. He's much smaller when inside Galvatron's ship than he is when he's outside it. He's normally quite huge (probably about as big as G1 Trypticon was in the Marvel comics), but uses a size-changing laser to shrink himself down so he can fit inside the base, and once had Galvatron overuse that laser on him to shrink Gigastorm down to tiny size as a punishment for one of his schemes against Galvatron.

Placing Titan Trypticon next to original Beast Wars molds to compare their scale to each other, the Titan mold isn't too far off in size from how big Gigastorm was compared to his teammates when outside the base. In fact, he'd probably be the only Titan who would actually be in scale with normal-sized Cores/Deluxes/Voyagers/Leaders.

True , but there's a lot of Transformers that vary in Size. BWII Galvatron became giant also when powered up with Algomois energy. Starscream in Galaxy Force/Cybertron etc...But having them be their normal size would be perfectly fine for a modern toy. Id be perfectly fine with a CC Gigastorm, but I feel that's far down the list of choices of characters right now.

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been.

Let me introduce you to a couple of main lines called EarthSpark and Rise of the Beasts.

ROTB is still not new original characters. And EarthSpark is really just G1 in an alternate universe. Again, nothing really earthshattering.

We need something completely off the rails...

Then again, I don't know how much the most recent layoffs at Hasbro are going to affect things. Generally, losing 20% of your workforce slows things down a bit.

It's a neat idea to have a Titan figure of a brand new never-before-heard-of character, but as it was pointed out before, I doubt Hasbro would take the financial risk.

I do agree that the next few years should shift focus from G1 and move on to other toylines, specifically Car Robots. So many opportunities.

As for future titans, even though I just wrote G1 needs to take a backseat, I do think that Metroplex is on serious need of an update, if not a completely new mold.

And my personal preference, not shared by most, is that the rest of the combiners could be released as Titans, with the group leader a commander class figure and the limbs voyagers instead of deluxes, especially in Superion's case. But my #1 wish for the next titan would be JRX. 3 leader-sized trains combining. Then Omega Prime.

First-Aid wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Overcracker wrote:What they need to do is a new main toyline that is not G1 updated like the Generations lines have been.

Let me introduce you to a couple of main lines called EarthSpark and Rise of the Beasts.

ROTB is still not new original characters. And EarthSpark is really just G1 in an alternate universe. Again, nothing really earthshattering.

We need something completely off the rails...

A genuine telling of the war on Cybertron. Yes, it still has that G1 connection, BUT, you have your regular characters like Prime and Megatron as background characters, introduce new characters, ones that fight on the front line, tell the story from the trenches, not from the leadership. At some point they can encounter a new Titan.

You get an all new story with new characters connecting to existing characters, you get all new designs, all new toys, an all new mythology. It's a lot of work.

It's why it'll never happen.

Still wouldnt mind oversized eaten too much energon insecticons as titans (as long as they are fully fuctioning flying drones). Astro train needs to go bigger, full ride on style in train mode.

Then maybe since they did the bumblebee/prime mask things...a Titan sized Beast machines megatron head that you can actually wear and maybe a wearable unicron head too that just forms into a playset/scenes from the movie.

Hey crew, so how many more accessories is the upcoming Fort Max to have over the previous release?

I was under the impression, it was exactly the same? Which surprises me in that, I know they don't like to include electronics in TF's any more because of the expense, and propensity to break down. I thought they may have removed them, but not so far as I am aware.

Nemesis Destron wrote:Hey crew, so how many more accessories is the upcoming Fort Max to have over the previous release?

What upcoming Fort Max?

Sabrblade wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:Hey crew, so how many more accessories is the upcoming Fort Max to have over the previous release?

What upcoming Fort Max?

I assumed he was talking about the reissue of the 2016 TR Titan Fortress Maximus. I think it was supposed to be released this month, but was pushed back to the Summer. As far as I'm aware, its exactly the same as the 2016 release. Other reissued Titans have been exactly the same, there's no reason to indicate as afar as I know, this one would be different.

https://hasbropulse.com/products/transf ... ss-maximus

https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/ ... /32707?o=4

Biggest difference is it will be a core class sized figure at titan price

blackeyedprime wrote:Biggest difference is it will be a core class sized figure at titan price

Sweet! Then I'll actually have room to fit it in my collection!

o.supreme wrote:I was under the impression, it was exactly the same? Which surprises me in that, I know they don't like to include electronics in TF's any more because of the expense, and propensity to break down. I thought they may have removed them, but not so far as I am aware.

It's a 2016 figure at 2024 prices so they aren't really losing anything by keeping the electronics. At this point the mold has been used so many times it's already been long paid for so this is really one of those releases that are largely profit.

Emerje

Potential future titans I'd love to see:

Primus

G1 Broadside

Energon Omega Supreme

Energon Tidal Wave repaint

IDW Tidal Whale

IDW Necrotitan

IDW D-Void

Cybertron Starscream

Energon Unicron repaint

Animated Omega Supreme

Animated Lugnut Supreme

Prime Unicron

I'm sure I've missed some other great candidates here

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:I'm sure I've missed some other great candidates here

See my Signature

o.supreme wrote:

#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:I'm sure I've missed some other great candidates here

See my Signature

Holy crap to get either Road Caesar or Metrotitan...c'mon with it HasLab!!!!

I NEED SOMEONE TO CONFIRM THIS. I JUST GOT MY CEREBOS HEAD TO SAY "emissary". Now I have a regular release. I put mine in head mode. And i held both of my rectangle posts for 30seconds & a new song I haven't heard played while his eyes lit up. It wasn't the American or takara version theme. It was shorter. Then he started saying EMISSARY. It has to be a programming thing with the buttons. Someone tell me I'm not freaking crazy. I was messing around on the toilet using small scissors to hit the transforming sound located by the battery box. I hit it twice. Some button configuration made this happen and then my batteries started to die. This freaking happend. Someone believe me.