Sneak Peek: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #47 iTunes Preview

...and now frankly, as much as I enjoy this series, I have had enough of the romance angle.

I feel like we have moved from rock opera to soap opera.

Maybe it's just me.

Or in the spirit of what I'm saying, "It isn't you, it's me."

Cyclonus drinking his sorrows away well this will be one interesting story...

Counterpunch wrote:...and now frankly, as much as I enjoy this series, I have had enough of the romance angle.

I feel like we have moved from rock opera to soap opera.

Maybe it's just me.

Or in the spirit of what I'm saying, "It isn't you, it's me."

It's not just you.

It's especially grating if you don't buy into the romance angle that season 2 seems to be actively courting.

Then again, I REALLY don't like Tailgate's capering for attention post-Dark Cybertron, so most of the storylines involving him feel forced, if only to appeal to the "OMG so cute" fans.

Whenever I get the urge to download MTMTE I just play Devastation instead. Transformers in romantic relationships with other Transformers half their size just reminds me of pedophilia.

I will admit the romance part does not feel that good, and the way Getaway is trying to get Tailgate is not very good either. Kinda dark really. I really feel Cyclonus may beat Getaway to the point of death here.

At the same time, some characters have really taken the backburner for season 2. Swerve, Tailgate and Whirl really haven't felt like they have done much, so I am ok with them being brought back in. I like em!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I will admit the romance part does not feel that good, and the way Getaway is trying to get Tailgate is not very good either. Kinda dark really. I really feel Cyclonus may beat Getaway to the point of death here.

At the same time, some characters have really taken the backburner for season 2. Swerve, Tailgate and Whirl really haven't felt like they have done much, so I am ok with them being brought back in. I like em!

Yet Swerve got an entire issue revolving around him, did a bunch of openings, tailgate was everywhere in elegant Chaos as well as having a lot of time centered around him with this "love triangle" through out the past year and half and Whirl too was all over in elegant chaos as well as being one of the most important characters in the series with saving megatrons life. How can you say those three haven't had much time?

1984forever wrote:Whenever I get the urge to download MTMTE I just play Devastation instead. Transformers in romantic relationships with other Transformers half their size just reminds me of pedophilia.

Well that's the point right now for whatever reason they are trying to make Getaway look like a creep right now.



Wait I thought you had nothing to do with anything beyond 1985.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

1984forever wrote:Whenever I get the urge to download MTMTE I just play Devastation instead. Transformers in romantic relationships with other Transformers half their size just reminds me of pedophilia.

Well that's the point right now for whatever reason they are trying to make Getaway look like a creep right now.



Wait I thought you had nothing to do with anything beyond 1985.

But Chromedome has been looking like a pedophiliac for a long time now. Eject's head is large but his body is small like that of a young boy.

This book would be so much better if it were written by one of the season 1 guys or Ron Friedman. We definitely wouldn't be having this conversation now.

1984forever wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

1984forever wrote:Whenever I get the urge to download MTMTE I just play Devastation instead. Transformers in romantic relationships with other Transformers half their size just reminds me of pedophilia.

Well that's the point right now for whatever reason they are trying to make Getaway look like a creep right now.



Wait I thought you had nothing to do with anything beyond 1985.

But Chromedome has been looking like a pedophiliac for a long time now. Eject's head is large but his body is small like that of a young boy.

This book would be so much better if it were written by one of the season 1 guys or Ron Friedman. We definitely wouldn't be having this conversation now.

Oh, 1984forever, you never change.

Though I do find that Chromedome and Rewind have become a lot more one-note this season, primarily known as "the two that are a couple", ESPECIALLY Chromedome.

I used to greatly prefer MTMTE (over the comparatively dry, average mainline comic) because of it's colorful character led story about a bunch of jerks on a ship. Now I've switched back, mainly because the main comic is actually about Transformers doing Transformery things and doesn't have a drop of teenage romance drama.

I'll still buy MTMTE for the non drama bits, but it's getting a bit annoying.

1984forever wrote:

But Chromedome has been looking like a pedophiliac for a long time now. Eject's head is large but his body is small like that of a young boy.

This book would be so much better if it were written by one of the season 1 guys or Ron Friedman. We definitely wouldn't be having this conversation now.

You mean Rewind right?


Rewind is actually older then Chromedome and what do you expect from someone who turned into a cassette some people are just short it's not pedophilia.




I can also guarantee you the season 1 guys would not make the comics better Season 1 of the Transformers was pretty bland and boring most of the good things from the cartoon came from season 2.

Ron Friedman is not that great either.

DeadCaL wrote:I used to greatly prefer MTMTE over the comparatively dry, average mainline comic, because of it's colorful character led story about a bunch of jerks on a ship. Now I've competently switched back, mainly because the main comic is actually about Transformers doing Transformery things and doesn't have a drop of teenage romance drama.

I'll still buy MTMTE for the non drama bits, but it's getting a bit annoying.

Romance is hardly the spotlight in MTMTE their only side stories.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

1984forever wrote:
But Chromedome has been looking like a pedophiliac for a long time now. Eject's head is large but his body is small like that of a young boy.
This book would be so much better if it were written by one of the season 1 guys or Ron Friedman. We definitely wouldn't be having this conversation now.

You mean Rewind right?
Rewind is actually older then Chromedome and what do you expect from someone who turned into a cassette some people are just short it's not pedophilia.

I can also guarantee you the season 1 guys would not make the comics better Season 1 of the Transformers was pretty bland and boring most of the good things from the cartoon came from season 2.

Ron Friedman is not that great either.

Yeah, I meant Rewind. I have trouble telling him apart from Eject. Now Rumble and Frenzy I can tell from one another because Frenzy is Red and Rumble is blue.

I honestly don't know what's going on with this rag. First it's that Constructicon Scavenger's entire fan club deciding to ride My Little Ponies into battle instead of using their alt modes.... and then next we get a peek inside mini Fort Max's shuttle and discover that he is an avid plush toy collector. Now with this ish we get an Archie comic with a Transformers logo on it. Hasbro needs to pull this license quick!

1984forever wrote:Yeah, I meant Rewind. I have trouble telling him apart from Eject. Now Rumble and Frenzy I can tell from one another because Frenzy is Red and Rumble is blue.

I honestly don't know what's going on with this rag. First it's that Constructicon Scavenger's entire fan club deciding to ride My Little Ponies into battle instead of using their alt modes.... and then next we get a peek inside mini Fort Max's shuttle and discover that he is an avid plush toy collector. Now with this ish we get an Archie comic with a Transformers logo on it. Hasbro needs to pull this license quick!

Wat?


The only one of those I have ever heard of was the Archie cover which is only an alternate cover celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Archie comics its not canon get over it comics do it all the time.



Why would any of that merit Hasbro pulling their licence when they encourage that behavior?



Look I don't think Transformers is your thing anymore the original cartoon ended a long time ago and Hasbro is moving on like everyone else.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

1984forever wrote:Yeah, I meant Rewind. I have trouble telling him apart from Eject. Now Rumble and Frenzy I can tell from one another because Frenzy is Red and Rumble is blue.

I honestly don't know what's going on with this rag. First it's that Constructicon Scavenger's entire fan club deciding to ride My Little Ponies into battle instead of using their alt modes.... and then next we get a peek inside mini Fort Max's shuttle and discover that he is an avid plush toy collector. Now with this ish we get an Archie comic with a Transformers logo on it. Hasbro needs to pull this license quick!

Wat?


The only one of those I have ever heard of was the Archie cover which is only an alternate cover celebrating the 75th anniversary of the Archie comics its not canon get over it comics do it all the time.



Why would any of that merit Hasbro pulling their licence when they encourage that behavior?



Look I don't think Transformers is your thing anymore the original cartoon ended a long time ago and Hasbro is moving on like everyone else.

Just don't bother, man. It's all in the name.

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I will admit the romance part does not feel that good, and the way Getaway is trying to get Tailgate is not very good either. Kinda dark really. I really feel Cyclonus may beat Getaway to the point of death here.

At the same time, some characters have really taken the backburner for season 2. Swerve, Tailgate and Whirl really haven't felt like they have done much, so I am ok with them being brought back in. I like em!

Yet Swerve got an entire issue revolving around him, did a bunch of openings, tailgate was everywhere in elegant Chaos as well as having a lot of time centered around him with this "love triangle" through out the past year and half and Whirl too was all over in elegant chaos as well as being one of the most important characters in the series with saving megatrons life. How can you say those three haven't had much time?

They have had their bits, but at least to start with, Megatron took all center stage. Up until issue 35 it was really all Megs and little bits of other things (now i get why and i very much enjoyed it, bu still) and then while Whirl and Tailgate were prevalent, they sort of passed back into the back once the time trip was over. And then yes Swerve had an issue to himself (which i loved) and that was pretty much it. i do enjoy the Swerve recaps though.

All in all though, Megs, Chromedome, Brainstorm and Nautica have taken the larger stage. Which like I said i don't mind, but I'd prefer others getting more time too. Ole Highbrow, Blaster and Hound are bridge crew and yet they get really no time, so it'd just be a matter of more character diversity. And I also wish we would find out who Whirl was talking to in issue 28.

1984 Forever you are a constant in an ever changing universe. I fear that if you change opinion and join us in the year 2015 that the apocalypse has well and truly arrived.

Now for the preview, I think it's interesting that we get these glimpses into the culture of the cybertonains and what their like in the downtime. While I wish other characters could get a focus, I am interested in what route Roberts is taking here.

Well this looks like rather interesting. Might be another good character-building issue.

Shuttershock wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:...and now frankly, as much as I enjoy this series, I have had enough of the romance angle.

I feel like we have moved from rock opera to soap opera.

Maybe it's just me.

Or in the spirit of what I'm saying, "It isn't you, it's me."

It's not just you.

It's especially grating if you don't buy into the romance angle that season 2 seems to be actively courting.

Then again, I REALLY don't like Tailgate's capering for attention post-Dark Cybertron, so most of the storylines involving him feel forced, if only to appeal to the "OMG so cute" fans.

I certainly think it's hard when all that's in the preview is this and no hints towards other goodness. I'm a bit over the relationship thing, prefer to see more familial relationships explored like spark brothers, split sparks, shared sparks, etc. it does at times feel a little over the top and In our face. I too have been enjoying the main Transformers series more lately... The art has been better, the themes have been far reaching, and the character development is less focused on finding your conjux.

Still reading, and enjoying parts of it, but grimacing and feeling somewhat uncomfortable when scenes like this pop up.

How does Getaway drink? I know his faceplate probably goes away, but he's drinking and talking, nursing his drink, and his faceplate is closed.... Anyway...

I don't mind romance, but i don't want it to be the forefront. Like let's use this issue to really wrap this up. Have the characters do what they need to do and move on.

Of course, this all could have a deeper purpose. We could be thinking that all this is is a love triangle but instead we find out that something else is going on.

Tigertrack wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:...and now frankly, as much as I enjoy this series, I have had enough of the romance angle.

I feel like we have moved from rock opera to soap opera.

Maybe it's just me.

Or in the spirit of what I'm saying, "It isn't you, it's me."

It's not just you.

It's especially grating if you don't buy into the romance angle that season 2 seems to be actively courting.

Then again, I REALLY don't like Tailgate's capering for attention post-Dark Cybertron, so most of the storylines involving him feel forced, if only to appeal to the "OMG so cute" fans.

I certainly think it's hard when all that's in the preview is this and no hints towards other goodness. I'm a bit over the relationship thing, prefer to see more familial relationships explored like spark brothers, split sparks, shared sparks, etc. it does at times feel a little over the top and In our face. I too have been enjoying the main Transformers series more lately... The art has been better, the themes have been far reaching, and the character development is less focused on finding your conjux.

Still reading, and enjoying parts of it, but grimacing and feeling somewhat uncomfortable when scenes like this pop up.

How does Getaway drink? I know his faceplate probably goes away, but he's drinking and talking, nursing his drink, and his faceplate is closed.... Anyway...

He might drink like Brainstorm, through a hole in his arm. It might be a common thing for faceplate wearers.

The romance doesn't bother me one bit. Us humans have it, why not other lifeforms?

With that being said, I think Getaway is going to have his tin can kicked hard by Cyclonus.

BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:The romance doesn't bother me one bit. Us humans have it, why not other lifeforms?

With that being said, I think Getaway is going to have his tin can kicked hard by Cyclonus.

Yes. But we are talking about a story. The romance genre is simply not one I like reading. Romance is fine, but I don't want to read a story where it is the only focus.

I think MTMTE plays the balance well I just don't want the book to become a one niche wonder.

Shuttershock wrote:

Tigertrack wrote:

Shuttershock wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:...and now frankly, as much as I enjoy this series, I have had enough of the romance angle.

I feel like we have moved from rock opera to soap opera.

Maybe it's just me.

Or in the spirit of what I'm saying, "It isn't you, it's me."

It's not just you.

It's especially grating if you don't buy into the romance angle that season 2 seems to be actively courting.

Then again, I REALLY don't like Tailgate's capering for attention post-Dark Cybertron, so most of the storylines involving him feel forced, if only to appeal to the "OMG so cute" fans.

I certainly think it's hard when all that's in the preview is this and no hints towards other goodness. I'm a bit over the relationship thing, prefer to see more familial relationships explored like spark brothers, split sparks, shared sparks, etc. it does at times feel a little over the top and In our face. I too have been enjoying the main Transformers series more lately... The art has been better, the themes have been far reaching, and the character development is less focused on finding your conjux.

Still reading, and enjoying parts of it, but grimacing and feeling somewhat uncomfortable when scenes like this pop up.

How does Getaway drink? I know his faceplate probably goes away, but he's drinking and talking, nursing his drink, and his faceplate is closed.... Anyway...

He might drink like Brainstorm, through a hole in his arm. It might be a common thing for faceplate wearers.

Just thought of this: When Tailgate eats and drinks, that little spot on the bottom of his faceplate actually opens so he can access his mouth and Getaway has that same spot. that's how he drinks

I'm not bothered by the romance aspect I just don't like Tailgate.

I never liked the visor/faceplate look. It's boring and half this cast carry the look.

I'd also rather see characters like Siren and Hound developed than the likes of Nautica and Rung both of whom I find uninteresting.

Pity they killed off poor old Trailbreaker.

Sales for MTMTE are very high right now aren't they? Roberts has been bringing in new audiences across a diverse range of demographics that are attracted to these storylines. It's impressive, it has to be said.

Season 1 was sensational and Season 2, following the Dark Cybertron mess, started quite strongly too. Since then, I can feel my patience wearing thin waiting for developments in the series' myriad, static plotlines.

Previously I had championed Roberts' placement of character above all else. However I couldn't help but laugh when I noticed my cheer at the first punch in an absolute AGE being thrown last issue; it occurred to me that I was either turning into a troglodyte or I had become somewhat bored. Maybe both.

I think it should be said that it's ok to like something and still have criticism of it.

With an active plot and monthly story, writers and readers have the opportunity to listen to one another about what is working or isn't, or why something was done or wasn't.

I for one was glad to see that it wasn't just me feeling like the plot was going off track or stagnating.

I usually only notice these things in retrospect when I'm reading the trades and a particular volume drags on or I don't go back to re-read it.

This face though. That is a great shot right there

Nope not into slash fiction, I may need to stick to the other book.

ausbot wrote:Nope not into slash fiction, I may need to stick to the other book.

This is hardly slash

Transformer Dudes who are into each other, yes it is.

3 decades and then this crap just comes out of the clear blue sky. It's totally Slash fic.

I think everyone forgets that the IDW transformerverse is now monogendered. It has a small amount of ladybots and a huge amount of genderless, sexless mechanoids who never even think it about.

If they were mono gendered, they wouldn't be referring to each other as "he and "she"! IMO Transformers is the wrong place for male/fembot relationships or Slash fiction. The Springer and Arcee thing in '86 wasn't very interesting. The Hot Rod/Arcee/Springer love triangle in DW would have been interesting had DW survived. But it would have been less interesting if there was another love triangle going on with another group of Transformers in the same book! This is what is going on in IDW. Several Transformers are hooking up and it's turning MTMTE into a Slash piece that overshadows everything else that's going on in the book!

This is what happens when authors are allowed to deviate too far from the source material.

But said source material must be allowed to change. if it remains stagnant it will become boring and repetitive, and if that happens no one will want to have anything to do with it.

I think we need to consider the whole aspect of transformers as a whole: They change. Transformers change shape, shift from one mode to another. they need to change. Change enables them to survive and thrive. I am a fan of many different transformers families since they all bring something different and unique to the table, some more than others.

This is a transformers book for a different age and audience, and it will change down the road too. there will be a completely different feel for them in 10 years. You just have to go with it. the original will always be the origin, but things need to grow off it, and as seen, many do enjoy the growth and the change. It keeps things interesting

1984forever wrote:If they were mono gendered, they wouldn't be referring to each other as "he and "she"! IMO Transformers is the wrong place for male/fembot relationships or Slash fiction. The Springer and Arcee thing in '86 wasn't very interesting. The Hot Rod/Arcee/Springer love triangle in DW would have been interesting had DW survived. But it would have been less interesting if there was another love triangle going on with another group of Transformers in the same book! This is what is going on in IDW. Several Transformers are hooking up and it's turning MTMTE into a Slash piece that overshadows everything else that's going on in the book!

This is what happens when authors are allowed to deviate too far from the source material.

In the comic, they canonically they had no gender. I know people didn't that storyline, but Arcee was an experiment in adding that concept into their species (which in my opinion was Furman over thinking it). The reason we say 'He' or 'She' regarding robots, is cos we're humans that need a familiar word to give to our fictional characters/cars/boats/guns. It's either that or call them 'it'.

There's nothing wrong with having boy/girl looking mechanoids in fiction. Other franchises do and just get on with it. I just think it's really funny that there are people upset/super excited about the 'gay transformers', that canon wise have neither gender or sexual orientation.


Aide from all that though, there's still no excuse for 'shipping. That's what Deviantart's for

DeadCaL wrote:

1984forever wrote:If they were mono gendered, they wouldn't be referring to each other as "he and "she"! IMO Transformers is the wrong place for male/fembot relationships or Slash fiction. The Springer and Arcee thing in '86 wasn't very interesting. The Hot Rod/Arcee/Springer love triangle in DW would have been interesting had DW survived. But it would have been less interesting if there was another love triangle going on with another group of Transformers in the same book! This is what is going on in IDW. Several Transformers are hooking up and it's turning MTMTE into a Slash piece that overshadows everything else that's going on in the book!

This is what happens when authors are allowed to deviate too far from the source material.

In the comic, they canonically they had no gender. I know people didn't that storyline, but Arcee was an experiment in adding that concept into their species (which in my opinion was Furman over thinking it). The reason we say 'He' or 'She' regarding robots, is cos we're humans that need a familiar word to give to our fictional characters/cars/boats/guns. It's either that or call them 'it'.

There's nothing wrong with having boy/girl looking mechanoids in fiction. Other franchises do and just get on with it. I just think it's really funny that there are people upset/super excited about the 'gay transformers', that canon wise have neither gender or sexual orientation.


Aide from all that though, there's still no excuse for 'shipping. That's what Deviantart's for

Jokes aside, shipping and the like is usually more of a fan thing, pairing up personally preferred couples and what not.

Now, creating subplots that seem to court and encourage that shipping community? MTMTE is most certainly guilty of that.

I always found mtmte to be a more character driven story which I suspect was intentional to further the difference from its sister comic(s). Now as for slash remark, people obviously do like this as the issues are selling from what I hear. So what if they don't conform to your idea of what you interpret the franchise to believe then no one is stopping you from making your own stories or comics.

MTMTE is selling. But when you compare it to sales of Dreamwave and even the late days of the G1, MTMTE would have been cancelled. I actually stopped buying this book 2 issues ago so I won't be joining you guys in viewing Roberts test the waters of pedophiia.

Any actual figures for that? Plus from what I'm led to believe, sales aren't what they used to be for any of the big two publishers since the days of the g1 comic.

As for that last comment...stretching much?

Comics are not as popular as they once were, especially with internet comics. And your comments about pedophilia are out of line here. That's a bit excessive.

And please: we thought you were done reading this a long time ago? so why are you still here? Especially if you quit 2 issues ago...

1984forever wrote:MTMTE is selling. But when you compare it to sales of Dreamwave and even the late days of the G1, MTMTE would have been cancelled. I actually stopped buying this book 2 issues ago so I won't be joining you guys in viewing Roberts test the waters of pedophiia.

Bring me numbers, and we can talk.
But then again, given the last comment, perhaps I really really don't want to talk to you, at all.

Ask the guys that claim MTMTE is doing soooo well for their numbers first.

The pedo comments are not out of line. Both Rewind and Tailgate resemble young boys in height and head size. Tailgate's avatar was a baby!

1984forever wrote:The pedo comments are not out of line. Both Rewind and Tailgate resemble young boys in height and head size. Tailgate's avatar was a baby!

Their height does not matter here. There are midgets and immature yet aged short people out there. It is way out of line

1984forever wrote:Ask the guys that claim MTMTE is doing soooo well for their numbers first.

The pedo comments are not out of line. Both Rewind and Tailgate resemble young boys in height and head size. Tailgate's avatar was a baby!

I am not surprised to see you have a very tenuous grasp of the concept of metaphor, symbol, and figure of speech. Please continue to teeter on the brink of a board warning.

All I see are people desperately trying to explain away the obvious. And now apparently stating the obvious is against board rules.

What we are seeing is someone who hates anything past 1984, continues to post in threads that should no longer apply to them considering they pledged forever ago to stop reading this book, continues to do anything they can to undermine the book, even going so far as to bring in topics that are no where near applicable or morally right for the book to bring in, and create a firestorm out of said comments.

If you do not like it, stop reading it. Otherwise, you are still buying it, still reading it, and just complaining it away while still supporting it.

Fact: tailgate is as old as Cyclonus and much older then getaway.

Now are you being sizest and saying that people can only have relationships with people of their same height? I think you have a career in politics ahead of you my friend.

Fact. You don't know how old Tailgate was when he fell in the hole.

Some Transformers have exhibited mature personality traits minutes after being created. Some like G1 Hot Rod act like teenagers. Others act like children, such as G1 Wheelie. It would have been seen as inappropriate if Wheelie replaced Springer as Arcee's "love" interest.

Tailgate has a childlike personality. I find it inappropriate for him to be in relationships with Transformers that are depicted as older and more mature.

Parents like myself may become concerned that their children don't fully understand metaphors. That misunderstanding could be bad for Hasbro during the holiday season.

1984forever wrote:Fact. You don't know how old Tailgate was when he fell in the hole.

Some Transformers have exhibited mature personality traits minutes after being created. Some like G1 Hot Rod act like teenagers. Others act like children, such as G1 Wheelie. It would have been seen as inappropriate if Wheelie replaced Springer as Arcee's "love" interest.

Tailgate has a childlike personality. I find it inappropriate for him to be in relationships with Transformers that are depicted as older and more mature.

Parents like myself may become concerned that their children don't fully understand metaphors. That misunderstanding could be bad for Hasbro during the holiday season.

Issue 21: Tailgate was only a few weeks old when he fell down in the whole. read.

Fact: That was 6 million years ago. He is very old. Does it matter that he was underground for the entire time? Yeah, hence why he needs to learn everything. And he is maturing. He is a hero for his skills he learned. He is not the child you keep playing him off to be. He may be immature, but he is not a child.

And do you think children could see this as bad? To them, it seems as though Tailgate is finding a best friend in Cyclonus as the new kid in school (I have an 8 year old cousin who reads the comics too: those were his exact words) You really just need to stop trying to make a pediphillic situation out of this. It is a principle of competing love interests and jealousy, not pedophiles. Getaway may be trying to take Tailgate, but it is not like he is taking a minor