WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review.
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Greetings Seibertronians!
Today is October 22, 2021. The Day WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage is finally officially released! It's now up for order at Hasbro Pulse or available to buy in store at Gamestop (formerly E.B Games) in Canada.
The price at 53$US seems expensive for many, but this set is limited and include a reissue of G1 Ravage. Agent Ravage is a severe retool of Kingdom deluxe Cheetor with so many new parts, he might as well be a new mold.
On with the review!
The packaging is pretty unique. It have a nice window display on the front and artwork on the back referring to the original Beast Wars show.
The instructions are in full colors and are very clear.
À la Studio Series, the cardboard insert of the box can serve as a backdrop of Ravage's spaceship interior. It even have a space to insert G1 Ravage in cassette mode into the main computer!
Out of the box, this is what you get:
-Agent Ravage
-G1 Ravage
-2 Guns (left and right) for Agent Ravage
-2 Guns (left and right) for G1 Ravage
Agent Ravage is absolutely fantastic. The painting details are minimal, but they are placed perfectly in the right spots. The rest are a nice choice of plastic colors with excellent texturing.
This ravage is a bit back heavy and he have small feet. This limit some poses.
The panther legs just hang there on the back, but it's not too bad.
That head sculpt is magnificent.
The mouth can open and it's painted in great details!
Ravage is not so limited when posing if you cheat using his tail. Plus he wield his guns proudly.
I managed to balance him on one foot without any problem.
He can store his guns on his hips. That's a weapon storage that makes sense and is appreciated.
Ravage can even wield his G1 guns!
Obligatory comparison with Kingdom Cheetor. Ravage is much more massive than Cheetor.
G1 Ravage don't have any stickers compared to the original. Rather he have printed paint aps.
He still have his diecast legs like the original and he balance surprisingly well.
He's a slim boy.
Of course, he's only truly complete with his chromed guns.
Both Agent and G1 looks fantastic together!
Transformation is easy and intuitive. I only looked up the instructions to make sure I wasn't bending things the wrong way. This result in a very intimidating beast!
Contrary to Cheetor, the head can move, making the beast way more expressive.
I love how the robot arms complete the beast's back.
He can wield his guns, G1 style, but only as "rocket boosters".
Putting the guns forward only makes him looks about to shoot his front legs off. Plus this doesen't look good.
Comparison with Cheetor in beast mode. Once again, Ravage is bigger.
Evolution!
The cardboard backdrop have a bit of trouble standing on it's own. It must lean against something like another box, or the wall.
This makes for a epic and iconic display!
Agent Ravage feel right at home in the WFC Kingdom Beasts display.
Final verdict: There's no denying that this boxset is expensive. But honestly, it's well worth the money. Everything feel nice in hand plus it's the only way appart the ultra rare Takara original to have the character from the iconic Beast Wars show.
Get Agent Ravage now while you still can!
Today is October 22, 2021. The Day WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage is finally officially released! It's now up for order at Hasbro Pulse or available to buy in store at Gamestop (formerly E.B Games) in Canada.
The price at 53$US seems expensive for many, but this set is limited and include a reissue of G1 Ravage. Agent Ravage is a severe retool of Kingdom deluxe Cheetor with so many new parts, he might as well be a new mold.
On with the review!
The packaging is pretty unique. It have a nice window display on the front and artwork on the back referring to the original Beast Wars show.
The instructions are in full colors and are very clear.
À la Studio Series, the cardboard insert of the box can serve as a backdrop of Ravage's spaceship interior. It even have a space to insert G1 Ravage in cassette mode into the main computer!
Out of the box, this is what you get:
-Agent Ravage
-G1 Ravage
-2 Guns (left and right) for Agent Ravage
-2 Guns (left and right) for G1 Ravage
Agent Ravage is absolutely fantastic. The painting details are minimal, but they are placed perfectly in the right spots. The rest are a nice choice of plastic colors with excellent texturing.
This ravage is a bit back heavy and he have small feet. This limit some poses.
The panther legs just hang there on the back, but it's not too bad.
That head sculpt is magnificent.
The mouth can open and it's painted in great details!
Ravage is not so limited when posing if you cheat using his tail. Plus he wield his guns proudly.
I managed to balance him on one foot without any problem.
He can store his guns on his hips. That's a weapon storage that makes sense and is appreciated.
Ravage can even wield his G1 guns!
Obligatory comparison with Kingdom Cheetor. Ravage is much more massive than Cheetor.
G1 Ravage don't have any stickers compared to the original. Rather he have printed paint aps.
He still have his diecast legs like the original and he balance surprisingly well.
He's a slim boy.
Of course, he's only truly complete with his chromed guns.
Both Agent and G1 looks fantastic together!
Transformation is easy and intuitive. I only looked up the instructions to make sure I wasn't bending things the wrong way. This result in a very intimidating beast!
Contrary to Cheetor, the head can move, making the beast way more expressive.
I love how the robot arms complete the beast's back.
He can wield his guns, G1 style, but only as "rocket boosters".
Putting the guns forward only makes him looks about to shoot his front legs off. Plus this doesen't look good.
Comparison with Cheetor in beast mode. Once again, Ravage is bigger.
Evolution!
The cardboard backdrop have a bit of trouble standing on it's own. It must lean against something like another box, or the wall.
This makes for a epic and iconic display!
EDIT:
Seems that the front legs of the panther mode were purposely missasembled by Hasbro for some reasons. The biceps of the front legs face the wrong way and the legs bend the wrong way. However, this is a very easy fix. The front legs of the beast are only on ball joints that can easily be popped off and on. So swapping the legs can be done instantly without any breakage risks. Now the beast mode look right once the front legs are swapped.
Agent Ravage feel right at home in the WFC Kingdom Beasts display.
Final verdict: There's no denying that this boxset is expensive. But honestly, it's well worth the money. Everything feel nice in hand plus it's the only way appart the ultra rare Takara original to have the character from the iconic Beast Wars show.
Get Agent Ravage now while you still can!
Credit(s): -Kanrabat-
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Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119291)
Posted by Spider5800 on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:13pm CDT
Posted by Spider5800 on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:13pm CDT
He looks great. Which actually kind of sucks, because I'm never going to get him at $53. It's still a deluxe selling at more than leader price. Voyager price for the new tooling, sure, I could see that, but another $20+ because of a repack of G1 Ravage is just absurd.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119293)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:19pm CDT
You got that right, buddy! Instead, you'll get him at 100$+ on eBay once it sell out.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:19pm CDT
Spider5800 wrote:He looks great. Which actually kind of sucks, because I'm never going to get him at $53.
You got that right, buddy! Instead, you'll get him at 100$+ on eBay once it sell out.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119294)
Posted by Spider5800 on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:23pm CDT
I'm not helping scalpers on eBay either. If he sells out without ever going on sale, I'm just not getting him.
Again, sucks.
Posted by Spider5800 on October 22nd, 2021 @ 10:23pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Spider5800 wrote:He looks great. Which actually kind of sucks, because I'm never going to get him at $53.
You got that right, buddy! Instead, you'll get him at 100$+ on eBay once it sell out.
I'm not helping scalpers on eBay either. If he sells out without ever going on sale, I'm just not getting him.
Again, sucks.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119350)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on October 23rd, 2021 @ 12:03pm CDT
You're also paying for the really nice photo transformation instructions. which are honestly superior to the line art garbage they usually produce. Still not worth the extra 20 though. You'd think the box would have some cool gimmick too to justify that prince, but it doesn't.
Posted by Rodimus Knight on October 23rd, 2021 @ 12:03pm CDT
Spider5800 wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Spider5800 wrote:He looks great. Which actually kind of sucks, because I'm never going to get him at $53.
You got that right, buddy! Instead, you'll get him at 100$+ on eBay once it sell out.
I'm not helping scalpers on eBay either. If he sells out without ever going on sale, I'm just not getting him.
Again, sucks.
You're also paying for the really nice photo transformation instructions. which are honestly superior to the line art garbage they usually produce. Still not worth the extra 20 though. You'd think the box would have some cool gimmick too to justify that prince, but it doesn't.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119362)
Posted by Black Bumblebee on October 23rd, 2021 @ 3:03pm CDT
Posted by Black Bumblebee on October 23rd, 2021 @ 3:03pm CDT
Remember, you aren't just paying for the deluxe size Ravage (which we'll put at the $30 voyager price as it is an exclusive mold and not the sort they can recolor to recoup on price), you're also getting an exclusive G1 Ravage that has a completely different deco (tape on both sides for the first time), so another $10. Exclusive packaging and instructions, another $3-5... should be around $45.
But as we know, prices of all junk are going up with the stupid pandemic crap, so the jump from $45 to $52 sounds about in line with the thinking.
Would I like him cheaper? Heck yeah. But it's a figure I've always wanted, and because it exists I don't have to buy Shadow Panther and pretend its him lol
But as we know, prices of all junk are going up with the stupid pandemic crap, so the jump from $45 to $52 sounds about in line with the thinking.
Would I like him cheaper? Heck yeah. But it's a figure I've always wanted, and because it exists I don't have to buy Shadow Panther and pretend its him lol
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119365)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 3:29pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 3:29pm CDT
It seems your version still has the misassembled front legs.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119372)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:10pm CDT
How are they "missasembled" ? Those parts are supposed to be switched around?
In that case, I do hope it's not pinned.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:10pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:It seems your version still has the misassembled front legs.
How are they "missasembled" ? Those parts are supposed to be switched around?
In that case, I do hope it's not pinned.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119373)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:12pm CDT
Are they? How so? I've seen no evidence of that and also there are tutorials/videos of fans "fixing" the legs, I believe?
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:12pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:It seems your version still has the misassembled front legs.
How are they "missasembled" ? Those parts are supposed to be switched around?
Are they? How so? I've seen no evidence of that and also there are tutorials/videos of fans "fixing" the legs, I believe?
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119378)
Posted by Spider5800 on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:58pm CDT
Posted by Spider5800 on October 23rd, 2021 @ 4:58pm CDT
The official images on Pulse show the legs reversed the same way, so looks like it's intentional for whatever reason.
Not sure what the reasoning is there though, they are correct on Cheetor. That's basically the cat's bicep, it should be big in the front.
Probably simple enough to just pop the legs off and swap em if you wanted to.
Not sure what the reasoning is there though, they are correct on Cheetor. That's basically the cat's bicep, it should be big in the front.
Probably simple enough to just pop the legs off and swap em if you wanted to.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119379)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 5:14pm CDT
Hasbro's official photos have a rep for being mistranformed and/or showing toys with QC issues though, right?
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 5:14pm CDT
Spider5800 wrote:The official images on Pulse show the legs reversed the same way, so looks like it's intentional for whatever reason.
Not sure what the reasoning is there though, they are correct on Cheetor. That's basically the cat's bicep, it should be big in the front.
Probably simple enough to just pop the legs off and swap em if you wanted to.
Hasbro's official photos have a rep for being mistranformed and/or showing toys with QC issues though, right?
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119380)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 23rd, 2021 @ 6:24pm CDT
Mistransformed? All the time. QC issues like misassembly? Maybe, but the 3D renders and the instructions almost always show the correct/intended assembly. I say almost because of TR Gatorface
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 23rd, 2021 @ 6:24pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Hasbro's official photos have a rep for being mistranformed and/or showing toys with QC issues though, right?
Mistransformed? All the time. QC issues like misassembly? Maybe, but the 3D renders and the instructions almost always show the correct/intended assembly. I say almost because of TR Gatorface
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119403)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:18pm CDT
That was indeed an easy fix. It's only ball joints at the shoulders so the legs were easily swapped. Now not only are the biceps facing the right way, the legs bend the right way too.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:18pm CDT
Spider5800 wrote:The official images on Pulse show the legs reversed the same way, so looks like it's intentional for whatever reason.
Not sure what the reasoning is there though, they are correct on Cheetor. That's basically the cat's bicep, it should be big in the front.
Probably simple enough to just pop the legs off and swap em if you wanted to.
That was indeed an easy fix. It's only ball joints at the shoulders so the legs were easily swapped. Now not only are the biceps facing the right way, the legs bend the right way too.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119404)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:23pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:23pm CDT
Praise be to Primus!
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119405)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:27pm CDT
Yeah, thank God for no pin festival like some older figures are built.
I was wondering why Ravage's front legs were bending the wrong way. But the thing that is most intriguing is that the misplaced front legs were done this way on purpose. Maybe to furthermore differentiate it from Cheetor, logic be damned?
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:27pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:Praise be to Primus!
Yeah, thank God for no pin festival like some older figures are built.
I was wondering why Ravage's front legs were bending the wrong way. But the thing that is most intriguing is that the misplaced front legs were done this way on purpose. Maybe to furthermore differentiate it from Cheetor, logic be damned?
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119407)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:35pm CDT
How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:35pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:Praise be to Primus!
Yeah, thank God for no pin festival like some older figures are built.
I was wondering why Ravage's front legs were bending the wrong way. But the thing that is most intriguing is that the misplaced front legs were done this way on purpose. Maybe to furthermore differentiate it from Cheetor, logic be damned?
How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119409)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:46pm CDT
Hasbro's ways are impenetrable.
By the way, I edited my OG post and the news article to include the fix.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 23rd, 2021 @ 9:46pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
Hasbro's ways are impenetrable.
By the way, I edited my OG post and the news article to include the fix.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119432)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2021 @ 12:25pm CDT
... which Hasbro fixed on later shipments, so that was an acknowledged mistake. Ravage though... did the instructions have them reversed as well?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 24th, 2021 @ 12:25pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
... which Hasbro fixed on later shipments, so that was an acknowledged mistake. Ravage though... did the instructions have them reversed as well?
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119434)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 24th, 2021 @ 12:34pm CDT
Looks like it's a factory mishaps, not an intentional design choice.
The instructions confirm it.
At least it's an easy fix contrary to Galvatron's shoulders.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 24th, 2021 @ 12:34pm CDT
Jelze Bunnycat wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
... which Hasbro fixed on later shipments, so that was an acknowledged mistake. Ravage though... did the instructions have them reversed as well?
Looks like it's a factory mishaps, not an intentional design choice.
The instructions confirm it.
At least it's an easy fix contrary to Galvatron's shoulders.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119440)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 24th, 2021 @ 1:33pm CDT
And all is well!
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 24th, 2021 @ 1:33pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:Jelze Bunnycat wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:How do we know it was on purpose, though? Recently, Galvatron's shoulders were a mess.
... which Hasbro fixed on later shipments, so that was an acknowledged mistake. Ravage though... did the instructions have them reversed as well?
Looks like it's a factory mishaps, not an intentional design choice.
The instructions confirm it.
At least it's an easy fix contrary to Galvatron's shoulders.
And all is well!
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119533)
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 4:37pm CDT
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 4:37pm CDT
Thanks for the review.
I have this guy sitting next to my favorite TF's so he's sitting in his box next to Unicron.
I'm glad people have an opportunity to finally get Beast Wars Ravage.
I'm still surprised with all the love this toy gets. And I'm wondering if it's just because it's the cool new thing or if they don't have X-9 Jaguar to compare it to.
I've watched Agenda part 1-3 like 2 trillion times over the years and I still remember watching the first airing.
Let's just say Ravage is in my top 5 characters/toys from my child hood. He's like the Empire Strikes back of toys for me.
As wonderful as this attempt the execution perplexes me. Ravage's inclusion in Beast Wars and Agenda was just amazing. And this set is meant to be something special based on the fact it's a special Hascon Release. I'm just wondering at the design choices, especially compared to X-9.
For those of you who don't know X-9 Jaguar was the Japanese only release of Beast Wars Ravage and it came about about 20 years go. X-9 had a weird miscoloring, instead of Silver (or grey), tan was used. And X-9 used Transmetal Cheetor as a base, just like the animation model of Ravage. Thus, below the waist of X-9 was perfect. The upper body they made some interesting design choices and it was a modified TM Cheetor, but it was nice enough. Also it had Cheetor's flight mode which was hilariously fun. When I found out that X-9 existed I immediately went on to ebay, spent too much and it's been in my collection carrying Megatron in gun mode every since.
Anyway, what perplexes me is the design choice to use Kingdom Cheetor as a base. I think most rational people would understand that it's impossible to make a show accurate transformable toy of BW Ravage. There's no way it's going to turn into a tape. So that being said: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing. They went all out to make the Robot form perfect and then they made a super simple transformation into a panther. That third party offering is $60 last I checked, only $10 more than this one. I'm just wondering why Hasbro didn't go this route. Was it really that much simpler to take Kingdom Cheetor as a base?
So again I ask, why make so many compromises with this figure with the legs and lower body when the cat mode looks like a starving leopard at best and the robot mode has legs dangling off his back. And when the X-9 toy was perfect below the waist.
Anyway, I'm glad I have this Ravage and it's exceptionally cool that it comes with a G1 reissue. I'd just hard for me to consider this a definitive version. It seems like they were going for definitive. Now if you don't take it out of the box, it does look definitive.
Maybe I'll make a cape for my Ravage to hide his back nonsense.
I have this guy sitting next to my favorite TF's so he's sitting in his box next to Unicron.
I'm glad people have an opportunity to finally get Beast Wars Ravage.
I'm still surprised with all the love this toy gets. And I'm wondering if it's just because it's the cool new thing or if they don't have X-9 Jaguar to compare it to.
I've watched Agenda part 1-3 like 2 trillion times over the years and I still remember watching the first airing.
Let's just say Ravage is in my top 5 characters/toys from my child hood. He's like the Empire Strikes back of toys for me.
As wonderful as this attempt the execution perplexes me. Ravage's inclusion in Beast Wars and Agenda was just amazing. And this set is meant to be something special based on the fact it's a special Hascon Release. I'm just wondering at the design choices, especially compared to X-9.
For those of you who don't know X-9 Jaguar was the Japanese only release of Beast Wars Ravage and it came about about 20 years go. X-9 had a weird miscoloring, instead of Silver (or grey), tan was used. And X-9 used Transmetal Cheetor as a base, just like the animation model of Ravage. Thus, below the waist of X-9 was perfect. The upper body they made some interesting design choices and it was a modified TM Cheetor, but it was nice enough. Also it had Cheetor's flight mode which was hilariously fun. When I found out that X-9 existed I immediately went on to ebay, spent too much and it's been in my collection carrying Megatron in gun mode every since.
Anyway, what perplexes me is the design choice to use Kingdom Cheetor as a base. I think most rational people would understand that it's impossible to make a show accurate transformable toy of BW Ravage. There's no way it's going to turn into a tape. So that being said: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing. They went all out to make the Robot form perfect and then they made a super simple transformation into a panther. That third party offering is $60 last I checked, only $10 more than this one. I'm just wondering why Hasbro didn't go this route. Was it really that much simpler to take Kingdom Cheetor as a base?
So again I ask, why make so many compromises with this figure with the legs and lower body when the cat mode looks like a starving leopard at best and the robot mode has legs dangling off his back. And when the X-9 toy was perfect below the waist.
Anyway, I'm glad I have this Ravage and it's exceptionally cool that it comes with a G1 reissue. I'd just hard for me to consider this a definitive version. It seems like they were going for definitive. Now if you don't take it out of the box, it does look definitive.
Maybe I'll make a cape for my Ravage to hide his back nonsense.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119534)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 25th, 2021 @ 4:41pm CDT
The 3P version wasn't that popular, due to the parts-forming hands/paws and the size (it's too big for a CHUG collection). The 60 dollar price was a little too much, considering the parts-forming, IMO, too.
As such, the official version is simply the better choice, for most people.
(PS: - Why doesn't the spoiler tag work? I popped the long quote by the OP inside the tags, but the quote still appears, in its entirety).
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 25th, 2021 @ 4:41pm CDT
God Sunstreaker wrote:Thanks for the review.
I have this guy sitting next to my favorite TF's so he's sitting in his box next to Unicron.
I'm glad people have an opportunity to finally get Beast Wars Ravage.
I'm still surprised with all the love this toy gets. And I'm wondering if it's just because it's the cool new thing or if they don't have X-9 Jaguar to compare it to.
I've watched Agenda part 1-3 like 2 trillion times over the years and I still remember watching the first airing.
Let's just say Ravage is in my top 5 characters/toys from my child hood. He's like the Empire Strikes back of toys for me.
As wonderful as this attempt the execution perplexes me. Ravage's inclusion in Beast Wars and Agenda was just amazing. And this set is meant to be something special based on the fact it's a special Hascon Release. I'm just wondering at the design choices, especially compared to X-9.
For those of you who don't know X-9 Jaguar was the Japanese only release of Beast Wars Ravage and it came about about 20 years go. X-9 had a weird miscoloring, instead of Silver (or grey), tan was used. And X-9 used Transmetal Cheetor as a base, just like the animation model of Ravage. Thus, below the waist of X-9 was perfect. The upper body they made some interesting design choices and it was a modified TM Cheetor, but it was nice enough. Also it had Cheetor's flight mode which was hilariously fun. When I found out that X-9 existed I immediately went on to ebay, spent too much and it's been in my collection carrying Megatron in gun mode every since.
Anyway, what perplexes me is the design choice to use Kingdom Cheetor as a base. I think most rational people would understand that it's impossible to make a show accurate transformable toy of BW Ravage. There's no way it's going to turn into a tape. So that being said: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing. They went all out to make the Robot form perfect and then they made a super simple transformation into a panther. That third party offering is $60 last I checked, only $10 more than this one. I'm just wondering why Hasbro didn't go this route. Was it really that much simpler to take Kingdom Cheetor as a base?
So again I ask, why make so many compromises with this figure with the legs and lower body when the cat mode looks like a starving leopard at best and the robot mode has legs dangling off his back. And when the X-9 toy was perfect below the waist.
Anyway, I'm glad I have this Ravage and it's exceptionally cool that it comes with a G1 reissue. I'd just hard for me to consider this a definitive version. It seems like they were going for definitive. Now if you don't take it out of the box, it does look definitive.
Maybe I'll make a cape for my Ravage to hide his back nonsense.
The 3P version wasn't that popular, due to the parts-forming hands/paws and the size (it's too big for a CHUG collection). The 60 dollar price was a little too much, considering the parts-forming, IMO, too.
As such, the official version is simply the better choice, for most people.
(PS: - Why doesn't the spoiler tag work? I popped the long quote by the OP inside the tags, but the quote still appears, in its entirety).
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119536)
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:03pm CDT
Well that's an interesting tangent. I mentioned the third party offering only to make the point that if Hasbro really wanted to do it, they could have made a better robot mode. You're totally right. Anyone that prefers the Generation's scale will want to avoid the third party offering. It's interesting that you're friends are hung up on the third party transformation. A BW Ravage transformation should be from robot to tape, not robot to panther, if we're going with show/screen accuracy. I don't think we should get hung up on an imposible transformation and fault a toy for having an excellent robot mode and not worrying about the transformation.
So what about X-9 Jaguar vs Decepticons Forever Ravage. Or I'll abbreviate X-9 vs DF? And the design choices.
I can agree that between nothing vs having any BW Ravage, then DF Ravage is the way to go.
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:03pm CDT
primalxconvoy wrote:God Sunstreaker wrote:Thanks for the review.
I have this guy sitting next to my favorite TF's so he's sitting in his box next to Unicron.
I'm glad people have an opportunity to finally get Beast Wars Ravage.
I'm still surprised with all the love this toy gets. And I'm wondering if it's just because it's the cool new thing or if they don't have X-9 Jaguar to compare it to.
I've watched Agenda part 1-3 like 2 trillion times over the years and I still remember watching the first airing.
Let's just say Ravage is in my top 5 characters/toys from my child hood. He's like the Empire Strikes back of toys for me.
As wonderful as this attempt the execution perplexes me. Ravage's inclusion in Beast Wars and Agenda was just amazing. And this set is meant to be something special based on the fact it's a special Hascon Release. I'm just wondering at the design choices, especially compared to X-9.
For those of you who don't know X-9 Jaguar was the Japanese only release of Beast Wars Ravage and it came about about 20 years go. X-9 had a weird miscoloring, instead of Silver (or grey), tan was used. And X-9 used Transmetal Cheetor as a base, just like the animation model of Ravage. Thus, below the waist of X-9 was perfect. The upper body they made some interesting design choices and it was a modified TM Cheetor, but it was nice enough. Also it had Cheetor's flight mode which was hilariously fun. When I found out that X-9 existed I immediately went on to ebay, spent too much and it's been in my collection carrying Megatron in gun mode every since.
Anyway, what perplexes me is the design choice to use Kingdom Cheetor as a base. I think most rational people would understand that it's impossible to make a show accurate transformable toy of BW Ravage. There's no way it's going to turn into a tape. So that being said: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing. They went all out to make the Robot form perfect and then they made a super simple transformation into a panther. That third party offering is $60 last I checked, only $10 more than this one. I'm just wondering why Hasbro didn't go this route. Was it really that much simpler to take Kingdom Cheetor as a base?
So again I ask, why make so many compromises with this figure with the legs and lower body when the cat mode looks like a starving leopard at best and the robot mode has legs dangling off his back. And when the X-9 toy was perfect below the waist.
Anyway, I'm glad I have this Ravage and it's exceptionally cool that it comes with a G1 reissue. I'd just hard for me to consider this a definitive version. It seems like they were going for definitive. Now if you don't take it out of the box, it does look definitive.
Maybe I'll make a cape for my Ravage to hide his back nonsense.
The 3P version wasn't that popular, due to the parts-forming hands/paws and the size (it's too big for a CHUG collection). The 60 dollar price was a little too much, considering the parts-forming, IMO, too.
As such, the official version is simply the better choice, for most people.
(PS: - Why doesn't the spoiler tag work? I popped the long quote by the OP inside the tags, but the quote still appears, in its entirety).
Well that's an interesting tangent. I mentioned the third party offering only to make the point that if Hasbro really wanted to do it, they could have made a better robot mode. You're totally right. Anyone that prefers the Generation's scale will want to avoid the third party offering. It's interesting that you're friends are hung up on the third party transformation. A BW Ravage transformation should be from robot to tape, not robot to panther, if we're going with show/screen accuracy. I don't think we should get hung up on an imposible transformation and fault a toy for having an excellent robot mode and not worrying about the transformation.
So what about X-9 Jaguar vs Decepticons Forever Ravage. Or I'll abbreviate X-9 vs DF? And the design choices.
I can agree that between nothing vs having any BW Ravage, then DF Ravage is the way to go.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119540)
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:09pm CDT
Posted by primalxconvoy on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:09pm CDT
Your point about the 3P toy, regarding the character's official alt mode as a tape only, has been noted before. However, for me, omitting such a perfectly simple/easy to implement transformation from paws to hands was really off-putting. I suppose it was a case of "do it well, or don't do it at all".
I've got the original Takara version (cost me about 7,000 yen, I think?) and it is a nice toy. I'm looking forward to the new official version too.
I've got the original Takara version (cost me about 7,000 yen, I think?) and it is a nice toy. I'm looking forward to the new official version too.
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119544)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:21pm CDT
The X-9 mold was lost forever, travelling to be Botcon'd. No x-9 fakes ever came out so it may be next to Indiana Jones's Ark in that Area 51 warehouse for all we know.
That robot is perfect, but that "panther" is complete crap. Might as well just consider it an action figure. If that's your thing, more power to you.
As for Agent Ravage itself, it's no MP. But it's PERFECT in the WFC universe, where the beast altmodes are more realistic. So in this universe, Ravage is a triple changer. Bot / panther / tape. Of course, we cheat for the tape, but if the guy TRULY transform into a panther, some beast kibbles are expected.
Maybe if they are smart enough, they could make a R.E.D Agent Ravage action figure that would be considered a true "mini MP."
Posted by -Kanrabat- on October 25th, 2021 @ 5:21pm CDT
God Sunstreaker wrote: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
The X-9 mold was lost forever, travelling to be Botcon'd. No x-9 fakes ever came out so it may be next to Indiana Jones's Ark in that Area 51 warehouse for all we know.
God Sunstreaker wrote:I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing.
That robot is perfect, but that "panther" is complete crap. Might as well just consider it an action figure. If that's your thing, more power to you.
As for Agent Ravage itself, it's no MP. But it's PERFECT in the WFC universe, where the beast altmodes are more realistic. So in this universe, Ravage is a triple changer. Bot / panther / tape. Of course, we cheat for the tape, but if the guy TRULY transform into a panther, some beast kibbles are expected.
Maybe if they are smart enough, they could make a R.E.D Agent Ravage action figure that would be considered a true "mini MP."
Re: WFC Trilogy Agent Ravage pictorial review. (2119559)
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 6:48pm CDT
Perfect??! But Jaguar vs Cheetah....whatever floats your boat. I'll just say perfection is in the eye of the beholder.
That's sad if the X-9 Jaguar mold was lost. Sigh. Well, I suppose now with having a DF Ravage I can keep my X-9 safely in its box. FYI, G1 Ravage easily fits inside the X-9 box for safe keeping. Figured that was an appropriate shout out considering what's included in the DF Ravage box set.
Now I'm wishing I had an MP Soundwave to hang with Ravage since the size difference would probably be more appropriate.
Thanks for the info!
Posted by God Sunstreaker on October 25th, 2021 @ 6:48pm CDT
-Kanrabat- wrote:God Sunstreaker wrote: why would they use Kingdom Cheetor, was Transmetal Cheetor's mold lost?
The X-9 mold was lost forever, travelling to be Botcon'd. No x-9 fakes ever came out so it may be next to Indiana Jones's Ark in that Area 51 warehouse for all we know.God Sunstreaker wrote:I've seen the recent Third Part offering of Ravage and it looks amazing.
That robot is perfect, but that "panther" is complete crap. Might as well just consider it an action figure. If that's your thing, more power to you.
As for Agent Ravage itself, it's no MP. But it's PERFECT in the WFC universe, where the beast altmodes are more realistic. So in this universe, Ravage is a triple changer. Bot / panther / tape. Of course, we cheat for the tape, but if the guy TRULY transform into a panther, some beast kibbles are expected.
Maybe if they are smart enough, they could make a R.E.D Agent Ravage action figure that would be considered a true "mini MP."
Perfect??! But Jaguar vs Cheetah....whatever floats your boat. I'll just say perfection is in the eye of the beholder.
That's sad if the X-9 Jaguar mold was lost. Sigh. Well, I suppose now with having a DF Ravage I can keep my X-9 safely in its box. FYI, G1 Ravage easily fits inside the X-9 box for safe keeping. Figured that was an appropriate shout out considering what's included in the DF Ravage box set.
Now I'm wishing I had an MP Soundwave to hang with Ravage since the size difference would probably be more appropriate.
Thanks for the info!
