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Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1. These are ust G1 inspired stories and bios that live on in their own world. Its just a take on things. Doesnt mean that the same Shockwave from the G1 comics of he G1 show is now Cicadon.

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1. These are ust G1 inspired stories and bios that live on in their own world. Its just a take on things. Doesnt mean that the same Shockwave from the G1 comics of he G1 show is now Cicadon.

Good point, good point...

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

Also with these bios, does it mean taht Ramhorn is G1 Ramhorn? I mean it is a rhinocerous beetle

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

Also with these bios, does it mean taht Ramhorn is G1 Ramhorn? I mean it is a rhinocerous beetle

Wouldn't surprise me if he were a version of Jhiaxus, honestly. That'd be dope.

Mindmaster wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

Also with these bios, does it mean taht Ramhorn is G1 Ramhorn? I mean it is a rhinocerous beetle

Wouldn't surprise me if he were a version of Jhiaxus, honestly. That'd be dope.

Was Jihaxus an autobot? I think the ramhorn bio said he was once an autobot.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

Also with these bios, does it mean taht Ramhorn is G1 Ramhorn? I mean it is a rhinocerous beetle

I haven't read the comic (still en route to Louisville, have a layover in Baltimore currently), so I don't know what Tigatron's deal is yet. We just know that the comic takes place in the IDW Beast Era since Fun Pub previously announced that it was.

As for Ram Horn, I know you're joking but for those who might think you're serious, I think it's safe to say he's his own person.

william-james88 wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

Also with these bios, does it mean taht Ramhorn is G1 Ramhorn? I mean it is a rhinocerous beetle

Wouldn't surprise me if he were a version of Jhiaxus, honestly. That'd be dope.

Was Jihaxus an autobot? I think the ramhorn bio said he was once an autobot.

Whoops, thought I read it as "Cicadacon", not "Ramhorn"! Mistakes were made!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

It's homaging the metals repaint they used at an old botcon. They had ravage, this was an obvious choice for a re-use

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

It's homaging the metals repaint they used at an old botcon. They had ravage, this was an obvious choice for a re-use

I know hence my question. That metals repaint is post beast wars.

Psst: It really doesn't matter.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

It's homaging the metals repaint they used at an old botcon. They had ravage, this was an obvious choice for a re-use

I know hence my question. That metals repaint is post beast wars.

Not everything they do has to tie in with fiction - or make sense, just... let it go

Tigatron is in the comic in a form that looks post-BW, yet we know the comic occurs pre-BW. Asking what's up with Tigatron in the comic is a perfectly valid question for anyone who hasn't read the comic yet since they don't know if it provides an explanation or not and want to know what said explanation is if the comic does have one. Will's inquiry is not unreasonable.

Midnight_Fox wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:By Primus..... Cicadacon is.... really......

did not see that coming

It never should have come.

Which I find odd, since tarantulas says that in BW destroying the ark wouldn't damage the council because his origins and the councils are from 'somewhere else' which I always took to mean Unicron, which Megatron references at some point too. But the bw comic universe isn't canon to the bw show universe, so I guess it doesn't matter

First, the whole "Spawn of Unicron" thing in the show was meant to be an insult that the fandom(and later media) decided to take on face value. It was another "this show is connected to that earlier one!" mentions that they loved doing and we fans/nerds had to be ourselves and get all pedantic and literal about it.

Secondly, these bios are suggesting that they DO have different origins from the rest of the Predacons by being part of the original generation of pre-faction Cybertronians.

Indeed. Also, in an attempt to expand without spoilering the comic too much there are other facts which add secondary meaning to Megatron's insult to Tarantulas... Both Larry Ditillio and Bob Forward had very different interpretations of the literalness of that insult and the origins of the council and so did the fans. The comic makes the contradictory into a more unified answer and doesn't contradict what was already established. There IS still a Unicronian connection but there is more to it than that.

Sabrblade wrote:Tigatron is in the comic in a form that looks post-BW, yet we know the comic occurs pre-BW. Asking what's up with Tigatron in the comic is a perfectly valid question for anyone who hasn't read the comic yet since they don't know if it provides an explanation or not and want to know what said explanation is if the comic does have one. Will's inquiry is not unreasonable.

That's like saying there should be a rhyme or reason for the figures released in the tfss; they just do stuff and sometimes they try to tie it together as best they can

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Woah wait hold on a sec guys, how does this really change anything? Isnt Botcon fiction in its own universe, just like IDW is seperate from G1.

This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Ok then how come pre beast tigetron has a beast head?

It's pre BW but it is post many of them choosing animal forms, e.g. Skylynx, Steeljaw or animalistic pretender forms like Longtooth so it's not something from left of field. Wouldn't you love a tiger's head for a head?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tigatron is in the comic in a form that looks post-BW, yet we know the comic occurs pre-BW. Asking what's up with Tigatron in the comic is a perfectly valid question for anyone who hasn't read the comic yet since they don't know if it provides an explanation or not and want to know what said explanation is if the comic does have one. Will's inquiry is not unreasonable.

That's like saying there should be a rhyme or reason for the figures released in the tfss; they just do stuff and sometimes they try to tie it together as best they can

98% of the time do the Club toys have fictional precedent for what characters they are and/or the look they have. This comic is in continuity with the cartoon, and Tigatron is in both, so it's natural to expect SOME kind of explanation for his appearance in this comic.

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Tigatron is in the comic in a form that looks post-BW, yet we know the comic occurs pre-BW. Asking what's up with Tigatron in the comic is a perfectly valid question for anyone who hasn't read the comic yet since they don't know if it provides an explanation or not and want to know what said explanation is if the comic does have one. Will's inquiry is not unreasonable.

That's like saying there should be a rhyme or reason for the figures released in the tfss; they just do stuff and sometimes they try to tie it together as best they can

98% of the time do the Club toys have fictional precedent for what characters they are and/or the look they have. This comic is in continuity with the cartoon, and Tigatron is in both, so it's natural to expect SOME kind of explanation for his appearance in this comic.

I thought it wasn't in continuity with the cartoon, but with idw bw... now I'm confused, and I've suddenly stopped giving a sh|t about this

Hellscream9999 wrote:I thought it wasn't in continuity with the cartoon, but with idw bw... now I'm confused, and I've suddenly stopped giving a sh|t about this

Sabrblade wrote:This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I thought it wasn't in continuity with the cartoon, but with idw bw... now I'm confused, and I've suddenly stopped giving a sh|t about this

Sabrblade wrote:This comic is in continuity with the IDW Beast Wars comics (The Gathering, The Ascending, and the Sourcebook), which themselves are in a universe that includes the Beast Wars and Beast Machines cartoons (but not the 3H or other Fun Pub Beast Era media).

...so... they're raping my childhood cartoon so they can shoe-horn G1 crap into it where it didn't need any, now, not even the safe haven of the BW cartoon is safe from the G1 menace anymore... *sigh* fml

Considering how controversial the idea of Cicawave/Shockadon is I'm just going to be the worst person ever and say that things in Sea Clamp's bio seem to line up with Soundwave. He's said to be a fellow Decepticon alongside Shockadon (**** it, I'm calling him that now), he's said to have fierce loyalty, and... of all things, he convinced Ravage to turn from the 'cons to the council. Ravage. Who has consistently been portrayed as loyal to the Decepticon cause... what Decepticon, I wonder, could Ravage possibly be more loyal to than the Decepticons in general?

Kurona wrote:what Decepticon, I wonder, could Ravage possibly be more loyal to than the Decepticons in general?

Well, it's IDW writing the comic, so Megatron.

Wait!

So is Reflector a botcon exclusive or is botcon just offering 3 of these translucent guys as a combiner like Reflector?

Kurona wrote:Considering how controversial the idea of Cicawave/Shockadon is I'm just going to be the worst person ever and say that things in Sea Clamp's bio seem to line up with Soundwave. He's said to be a fellow Decepticon alongside Shockadon (**** it, I'm calling him that now), he's said to have fierce loyalty, and... of all things, he convinced Ravage to turn from the 'cons to the council. Ravage. Who has consistently been portrayed as loyal to the Decepticon cause... what Decepticon, I wonder, could Ravage possibly be more loyal to than the Decepticons in general?

Not to mention that Rook and Andromeda have said this about Sea Clamp:

ANDROMEDA: I believe he was the one who selected the Agent the Tripredacus Council dispatched, was he not?

ROOK: That seems to be the case. General Sea Clamp works best in the shadows, perpetually keeping an audio receptor to the ground . That and his incredible memory and computational abilities made him quite the force to be reckoned with.

YoungPrime wrote:Wait!

So is Reflector a botcon exclusive or is botcon just offering 3 of these translucent guys as a combiner like Reflector?

Reflector is a botcon exclusive, hasbro had planned on releasing him at retail a few years ago with shockwave being the retool. They didn't release it, nor do they intend to - it may have had something to do with the camera mode (apparently) looking like utter crap